George W. moving in

Rick S. · #1 01-15-2009, 08:24 AM

Does the Ex-POTUS have similar airspace restrictions as the seated POTUS? If so how will his new digs impact the fairly free airspace around the Dallas area?

DeltaRomeo · #2 01-15-2009, 08:52 AM

My understanding....for a very short time yes. After that no. This from an ATC buddy (and RV pilot).

The new Bush house in Dallas is in the surface segment of class B, and the ranch near Waco will go down to its 3-mile radius (what it is when he wasn't there).

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Originally Posted by Rick S.

Does the Ex-POTUS have similar airspace restrictions as the seated POTUS? If so how will his new digs impact the fairly free airspace around the Dallas area?

plehrke · #3 01-15-2009, 08:56 AM

Ex-presidents do not get anything near the same treatment as a sitting president. Actually an ex-president can decline secret service protection. No flight restriction should be in place after he leaves office (actually should change the second that Obama takes the oath). Of coarse things have changed in the past but only the current Pres and Vice-Pres get TFR.

breister · #4 01-15-2009, 09:08 AM

As a personal opinion, sitting Presidents and Congress (the DC ADIZ) should not get anywhere near the airspace restrictions they already have anyway. If our country is that insecure, it is through their incompetence - and losing a few would thus not be a notable loss to our country...

N941WR · #5 01-15-2009, 09:23 AM

Ya got me curious for what they did for George the 1st up in Kennebunkport, ME.

Here is the sectional w/ Kennebunkport, notice the prohibited zone P-67 on the coast. Of course this could grow if the sitting POTUS visits or they determine there is a credible threat to “W”.

And here is the description of the airspace. Even a Cub could get up and over that.

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P-67 Kennebunkport, ME

Boundaries. A circular area of 1-mile radius centered on lat. 43[deg]20'40'' N., long. 70[deg]27'34'' W.

Designated altitudes. Surface to 1,000 feet MSL.

Time of designation. Continuous.

Using agency. Administrator, FAA, Washington, DC. * * * * *

Issued in Washington, DC on May 16, 2005. Edith V. Parish, Acting Manager, Airspace and Rules.

Jamie · #6 01-15-2009, 09:57 AM

According to this page on the secret service website, Bill Clinton is the last president to receive lifetime Secret Service protection. Subsequent presidents will receive only 10 years from the date they leave office.

http://www.secretservice.gov/faq.shtml

I bet pilots are the only group that hopes serious presidential contenders don't emerge from their respective states.

JHines · #7 01-15-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by N941WR

Ya got me curious for what they did for George the 1st up in Kennebunkport, ME.

Here is the sectional w/ Kennebunkport, notice the prohibited zone P-67 on the coast. Of course this could grow if the sitting POTUS visits or they determine there is a credible threat to ?W?.

And here is the description of the airspace. Even a Cub could get up and over that.

Yes, the pain is where is sitting POTUS sits or visits. I used to fly out of KPWM. When Bush would visit P-67 would grow to 10 NM radius prohibited and 30 NM radius restricted (have to have a flight plan and squawk even for a VFR flight, etc.) What a pain the ***, and a chance for an honest pilot to slip up and get violated.

the_other_dougreeves · #8 01-15-2009, 11:37 AM

I'm hopeful that W moving to Dallas doesn't mess up the good access we have through the DAL part of the Surface Class B - we often get N-S clearance on the ADS-DAL-RBD route and sometimes E-W DAL-DFW. He would be basically right on the ADS-DAL segment.

However, we had some local public meetings with the FAA in November. They plan to expand / lower the Class B quite a bit - particularly over ADS - and really didn't seem to care what we thought. So, Georgie moving into town may provide a good excuse to cut off the DAL surface Class B to non-DAL traffic. YMMV.

TODR

sprucemoose · #9 01-15-2009, 11:44 AM

If you thought a 30 mile TFR over Crawford was a PITA, wait until they do the same thing smack in the middle of Chicago, and some of the buiest airspace in the country. And Obama has said that he plans to get back to Chicago frequently. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Jamie · #10 01-15-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sprucemoose

If you thought a 30 mile TFR over Crawford was a PITA, wait until they do the same thing smack in the middle of Chicago, and some of the buiest airspace in the country. And Obama has said that he plans to get back to Chicago frequently. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I've been wondering the same thing. Looks like Daley is going to finally get his big GA flight restricted area (in the form of POTUS TFRs) around downtown Chicago.