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11-24-2008, 08:41 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Jackson, MS
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Wing heavy - Why not adjust a flap?
I was talking to an old A&P about wing heavy the other day and his response was something I haven't seen or at least read enough posts.
His comment was to adjust a flap and that is what he recommends and does. Somethings as little as one turn of the pushrod. It will keep your stick centered with no trim tab. Last but not least, doesn't mess with your paint job like squeezing the trailing edge. It would also be an extremely easy adjustment in an RV.
What about it guys?
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11-24-2008, 09:01 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
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This is certainly an option, but...
Adjusting a flap to be down in the wind stream increases drag, and since it in inboard, it is not as effective as an aileron.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
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11-24-2008, 09:18 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
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If the flaps are not rigged properly, and that is the cause of a heavy wing, then yes I would agree. If the flaps are rigged properly, then the cause is other than the flap, and Mel is correct - you'll add drag to cover up a symptom, rather than solving the problem.
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Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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11-24-2008, 11:19 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston
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I did it 9.5 yrs and 1065 hrs ago. Adjusted one of the flaps down maybe ~0.4-0.5 degrees. Slows the plane a little (has to be a fraction of a kt), but it sure was easy to do and is reversible.
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11-24-2008, 02:47 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Calgary, Canada
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I did the same thing on mine. Easy, works fine.
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11-24-2008, 03:31 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Webb
I was talking to an old A&P about wing heavy the other day and his response was something I haven't seen or at least read enough posts.
His comment was to adjust a flap and that is what he recommends and does. Somethings as little as one turn of the pushrod. It will keep your stick centered with no trim tab. Last but not least, doesn't mess with your paint job like squeezing the trailing edge. It would also be an extremely easy adjustment in an RV.
What about it guys?
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Webb,
I agree with Mel and Greg about adjusting the flaps.
Check your ailerons at the outboard hinge. Is the heavy wing aileron a little high there? Mine was. The steel hinge bracket that bolts to the aileron can be slotted with a file in a few minutes to lower the aileron. I lowered mine about 1/8" and it flies hands off now. This must be a common problem as I read about it here I think.
Mark
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Ruston, Louisiana
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11-24-2008, 03:45 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
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How do you guys check height here? What's the reference? Can someone post a step-by-step procedure that leaves no assumptions... aka.. the way you'd explain it to a 3-year-old... thanks!
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11-24-2008, 04:10 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Huskerland, USA
Posts: 5,862
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rv6ejguy
I did the same thing on mine. Easy, works fine.
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Ditto. Works fine, I have not seen a speed drop. 1/2 turn on the flap adjuster can't be much drag.
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11-24-2008, 04:20 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Houston
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Burns
Webb,
I agree with Mel and Greg about adjusting the flaps.
Check your ailerons at the outboard hinge. Is the heavy wing aileron a little high there? Mine was. The steel hinge bracket that bolts to the aileron can be slotted with a file in a few minutes to lower the aileron. I lowered mine about 1/8" and it flies hands off now. This must be a common problem as I read about it here I think.
Mark
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In the words of George Strait, "don't think that I'm trying to mind your business, it's a full time job just trying to mind mine", but slotting the wing attach holes is a significant modification to that component.
2 cents tempered with 20+ yrs of mechanical engr experience
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Bryan
Houston
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11-24-2008, 04:50 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bennington, Vermont USA
Posts: 1,301
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Twisted Aileron?
I have a slight twist in one aileron - one trailing edge tip is about 3/16" higher than the other.
How will that affect the mix? Should I re-skin or will it be lost in the other noise?
Jim Sharkey
RV6
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