RV Runway Incursion at Oshkosh

rv7boy · #1 07-24-2008, 03:09 PM

Oh me, here's an RV-3 runway excursion at OSH. Even though the news wire describes it as a "crash," it sounds like the pilot is okay. I sure hope so.

Let's all be careful on the way to and from Airventure.

Don

Geico266 · #2 07-24-2008, 03:24 PM

I got this e-mail from a guy that was there and saw it.

Saw it. She was landing down wind with a 8-10kt tailwind. Looked like she got slow, dropped it in, caught a wing and cartwheeled. They took her out in a squad but no info on her status.

There was also a Commanche gear up yesterday with no injuries.

Bob

Like I said in another post. WATCH YOUR AIRSPEED. The controllers at OSH may put you on a downwind runway. You may be landing WITH THE WIND. You must keep your airspeed up and forget about ground reference for speed.

flyeyes · #3 07-24-2008, 05:12 PM

I know the pilot.

She is bruised but it sounds like no permanent damage.

It sounds like the airplane is now a parts donor.

Geico266 · #4 07-24-2008, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flyeyes

I know the pilot.

She is bruised but it sounds like no permanent damage.

It sounds like the airplane is now a parts donor.

Give her my best. Hope she is okay. Like they say any landing you can walk away from............

Why the FAA controllers land planes downwind is just beyond comprehension.

flyeyes · #5 07-24-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Geico266

Give her my best. Hope she is okay. Like they say

Will do

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Why the FAA controllers land planes downwind is just beyond comprehension.

This isn't all that uncommon at OSH, as smooth flow of traffic is the primary consideration. It's really hard to turn the airport around when there are 15 or 20 planes on the downwind simultaneously.

However, we all need to remember that you can and should refuse a clearance that you don't feel is safe. I'm planning on arriving next week in a AirCam, which has significantly lower crosswind (and especially tailwind) limits than the RVs. I'll be watching the windsock carefully.

STINGRAY · #6 07-24-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Geico266

Give her my best. Hope she is okay. Like they say any landing you can walk away from............

Why the FAA controllers land planes downwind is just beyond comprehension.

I couldn't agree with you more! Really, really too bad.

N395V · #7 07-24-2008, 06:02 PM

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AirCam, which has significantly lower crosswind (and especially tailwind) limits than the RVs. I'll be watching the windsock carefully.

I am curious as to why the aircam would have a low tailwind limit.

Mike S · #8 07-24-2008, 06:18 PM

Milt, my guess is a combination of light wing loading----really light, and high C/G.

Lots of sail area, light weight airframe.

flyeyes · #9 07-24-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by N395V

I am curious as to why the aircam would have a low tailwind limit.

Lots of reasons.

A Vso around 30 knots with a typical touchdown speed of 35 or so.

HUGE tail volume.

Limited aileron authority, especially at low speeds.

High center of gravity.

With even a tiny bit of tailwind, then airplane can quickly become a handful. Fortunately, it's got way more power than it needs, and cobbing the throttles will launch you back into the air almost instantly for another try.

The big tail and rudder will allow nice touchdowns in pretty fair crosswind, but it's a lot of work as you slow down.

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PCHunt · #10 07-25-2008, 01:54 AM

There is a very handy word that PIC's can use when communicating with ATC. The word should be used judiciously, and only when really necessary. That word is: "UNABLE".

When a pilot uses that word, ATC can not require the pilot to perform the requested or assigned operation. They must provide alternatives, or you might elect to go somewhere else to land where the winds are not unsafe.

Very handy word, stops ATC in their tracks, when necessary.