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07-19-2008, 10:12 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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scratches?
Hey guys, I'm working out here in the garage de-burring and prepping the VS (I read somewhere that the VS is easier, so I decided to start with the VS).
Quick question: it seems like the ribs - all non blue-plastic-coated, non-alclad aluminum is pretty scratched up. I think it's partly due to how it is packaged. Do I need to be worried about these relatively minor scratches? At the moment, I have only the two types of scotchbright that come in the Isham toolkit. Do I need more than that to deal with it? Do I need to worry about it?
Here's some pictures. Tough to show, but i'll try anyway:
See how they're kinda scuffed and scrathed? Here's one more:

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07-19-2008, 10:14 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Victoria B.C.
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Not to worry they will be fine. Scotch brite and prime and build.
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07-19-2008, 10:21 PM
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So scotchbright is the answer? They're scratched and scuffed up... basically all over. It's almost like scotchbright just kind of spreads the problem around, and introduces more scratching... But maybe it just looks that way to my inexperienced eye.
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07-19-2008, 10:39 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Mike,
You need to scotch brite, clean, maybe file and debur all the pieces... no worry! 
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07-19-2008, 10:47 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Non-issue - you'll scratch them up a lot more than that while building, and even more than that just before priming. The marks you see are in the surface layer of pure aluminum, which is very soft. It's so soft in fact, that if you write on it with a Sharpie, then remove the Sharpie ink with solvent, you can see the writing still in the metal surface from the scratches that the FELT TIP of the Sharpie left on the metal.
Build on.
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07-19-2008, 10:57 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Right on. That's what I was hoping. I was sitting there thinking, holy cra p, this stuff is so easy to scratch that this better be alright or I'm never going to get around to actually putting anything together!
I'm starting to realize this is like 95% prepping, maybe 5% building, huh?
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07-20-2008, 06:44 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Asheville, NC
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clad you asked....
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Originally Posted by SteelMike
all non blue-plastic-coated, non-alclad aluminum is pretty scratched up.
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It is my understanding that the ribs ARE alclad and therefore fall into the well reviewed prime/not-prime category
I left scratches alone except for the ones that were deep enough to bother my concience. The ones in your pictures are normal. Relax. A very few places I had a scratch that I buffed out and either used the alodine pen or some self etching primer. Maybe overkill, but I slept better.
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07-20-2008, 08:39 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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If the scratches are deep enough to catch your finger nail remove the scratches if not carry on. This would apply to the entire aircraft.
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07-20-2008, 09:53 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: florida
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alclad aluminum--
generally speaking,the alclad parts we receive from Vans are protected with plastic. Most parts that are mechanically formed (ribs, brackets etc.) in press brakes, punches, and shears are not alclad, and are prone to surface damage and scratches during these manufacturing operations. Also after forming they are heat treated for strength and proper temper. The extrusions(angles,bars ,and heavier parts such as castings) are of alloys that are for strength, or hardness or whatever the job calls for, but maybe are not as corrosion resistant, thus needing painting or other protection.
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07-20-2008, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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Hmm. Call Vans
The last time this conversation came up about ribs not being alclad, I called vans (because my wings are finished and I only primed fayed surfaces). They assured me that the ribs are alclad.
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RV-7A: Flying since April 15, 2012. 850 hrs
YIO-360-M1B, mags, CS, GRT EX and WS H1s & A/P, Navworx
Unpainted, polished....kinda'... Eyeballin' vinyl really hard.
Yeah. The boss got a Silhouette Cameo 4 Xmas 2019.
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