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07-09-2008, 10:33 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Hubbard Oregon
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Originally Posted by flytoboat
The intent of the Experimental category is for "recreation and education". This is clearly a commercial operation for a kit plane "built to order" and is exactly what the FAA is trying to curtail. I'm afraid someone could end up with a very expensive lawn ornament (i.e. an airplane that can't be certified in the E-AB class). I guess "avoiding scrutiny" and complying with the intent of the rules is two different things.
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Very simply...Bill will have to purger(spl?) himself with every airworthiness application when he signs the notarized affidavit say "I built this airplane for my own education and recreation".
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07-09-2008, 10:55 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: santa barbara, CA
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My guess is that will be the last tip posted by Bill. 
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07-09-2008, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 8
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More Tips To Come
Erich,
It won't be the last tip because I surprise myself everyday. I need to take some pictures for the future tips.
Thanks,
Bill
www.assistaviation.com
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07-09-2008, 03:33 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: West Plains, MO
Posts: 246
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I think this is awful.
1) Selling services that result in an aircraft that should not get an EAB airworthiness certificate
2) This guy has no proven experience. I love how he mentions how much experience is available at the airport where he is based.
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07-09-2008, 10:05 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: S21, Oregon
Posts: 161
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
Very simply...Bill will have to purger(spl?) himself with every airworthiness application when he signs the notarized affidavit say "I built this airplane for my own education and recreation".
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As long as each airplane is different from the previous one, it's going to be educational, right? Also, is there really a problem (legally) with this service as long as Bill holds the repairman's certificate for each plane, and not the person who "buys" it?
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RV-7 empennage done, wings done, fuselage to QB stage.
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07-10-2008, 06:16 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: West Plains, MO
Posts: 246
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Originally Posted by 1:1 Scale
Also, is there really a problem (legally) with this service as long as Bill holds the repairman's certificate for each plane, and not the person who "buys" it?
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In my opinion, as soon as he takes payment for his labor (which is up front) he no longer qualifies as "amateur". Regardless, this doesn't fit the intent or spirit of the EAB airworthiness certificate.
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07-11-2008, 02:37 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Santa Rosa, CA
Posts: 13
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Educational
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Originally Posted by BrentHumphreys
In my opinion, as soon as he takes payment for his labor (which is up front) he no longer qualifies as "amateur". Regardless, this doesn't fit the intent or spirit of the EAB airworthiness certificate.
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Bill may have a hard time arguing that,
"Assist Aviation is a build center; not a builder assist center. This is my full time job and passion. This is not a part time venture worked on in my spare time,"
is either educational or recreational. The memory is hazy, but it seems to me I recall somebody else getting busted for doing this. Uncertified aircraft manufacturer? Perhaps not the height of wisdom to advertise what is arguably an illegal operation in front of so many people concerned about their EAB rights and privileges.
I hope Bill has sufficient liability insurance. The first aircraft sold that crashes will probably cause a change of "passion". This may end up being education in another way entirely
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Santa Rosa, CA
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07-11-2008, 04:01 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Anaheim, Ca
Posts: 87
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Another hijacked thread
If you want to argue the merits and legality of the building service how about doing it on the appropriate thread http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ad.php?t=31855
And leave this one to stand alone as a helpful tip for someone else.
MB
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02-11-2010, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Venice, Fl
Posts: 1,020
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Tip Still Works
Just wanted to let everyone know that this tip worked on wing skins I received in 1998. Just got around to removing the plastic today (Feb 11, 2010) Don't ask why so long. Most of the aircraft is built but I'm just getting around to closing up the left wing.
I actually used a 1" piece of pvc and my hands to roll it. Like Bill, it took longer to get the film off of the pvc roll than to remove it from the wing skin.
THANKS FOR A GREAT TIP.
Don't know about all of the other issues discussed but as long as this remains a TIP thread it will save others a lot of time and frustration.
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02-11-2010, 03:35 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bennington, Vermont USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002
Very simply...Bill will have to purger(spl?) himself with every airworthiness application when he signs the notarized affidavit say "I built this airplane for my own education and recreation".
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The word you are looking for is perjure
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