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Old 06-26-2008, 08:26 AM
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Default Auxiliary baggage compartment

I am interested in making an auxiliary baggage compartment in my -9A tip up behind the main compartment and want to hear about some ideas accomplished. It will be sheeted to avoid any loose items reaching the bellcrank/pushrod. Roger Ping had a nice area between the 706 and 707 bulkheads above the longerons. I am interested in an area for light items such as sleeping bags - not sure I could squeeze bags into Roger's area. Another option would be to make a compartment between 706 and 707 but fully vertical from floor to top using one half of the bay, keeping the pushrod on the outside of the compartment. My concern here would be compromising so much of the torsional stiffening provided by the rear wall of the existing baggage compartment. Which brings up - how important is this component?
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Old 06-26-2008, 08:55 AM
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Default Only Van's knows for sure...

That's a question for Van's engineers, but I would expect them to say that the baggage bulkhead is not structural. The exterior skins in this type of structure carry the load, both bending and shear. The frames are important of course, for shear as well.
The biggest issue you need to investigate is Wt & Bal. It may surprise you how little weight it takes back there to get into an aft CG condition. Run some numbers. Those 'light' sleeping bags may be heavier than you think Even the material you add to enclose the area will have a noticeable (and permanent) effect on your CG.
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:34 AM
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Default The Baggage bulkhead is structural:

The manual says not to fly the plane without it installed. Since that is the case, modify it at your own risk. Remember that "every ounce counts". A light plane performs beter than a heavy one.

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Old 06-26-2008, 09:39 AM
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Default Rear Baggage Modification

Carl,
I have seen several comments on the rear bulkhead being a structural part. I made a modification to mine, but reinforced it both vertically and horizontally. I believe it to be sound. There are a couple of pictures on my kitlog, but not any real good ones. Essentially, I cut a hole in the baggage compartment bulkhead and added some nutplates to the vertical member in the middle. In addition, I added a piece of .062 angle to it vertically. At the top and bottom of the cutout, I also added a peice of angle to strengthen both of those areas. I ordered a seat back as the pattern matches the rear bulkhead and hinged it from the bottom. At the top, I bought some milspec fasteners to close it up. All the framing for the floor, sides and top are 1 x 1 x .062 angles and the walls and top are .025 sheet. The bottom is .050.
I have finished painting the parts but haven't riveted them in place yet. If I can help you any way, pm me.
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:48 AM
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I am interested in an area for light items such as sleeping bags - not sure I could squeeze bags into Roger's area.
Carl,

If you can't fit your sleeping bags in that area, you need to get new bags. All of the six or seven bags I have will fit in there, even my zero degree bag.

When you are ready, go to Campmor and buy a good North Face poly bag. (My favorite is The North Face’s 20 degree Cat's Meow bag, which has kept me warm down to 5 above. It is very light and compact. The trick to polyester bags is to hang them up when not in use so you don’t compress the hollow fill fibers. I used to work for the manufacture of the insulation and tested a few of their bags.)

Also, depending on the type of camping you are thinking about, I'm not really sure you need to extend the baggage compartment. There is tons more room in the stock baggage compartment than two of my expedition backpacks could hold and I've lived out that pack for over a week at a time.
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Old 06-26-2008, 09:55 AM
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Re bulkhead... structural? I think not. Most likely the reason they say not to fly without the rear bulkhead installed is to prevent stuff from falling down the tail and jamming control surfaces.

Look at the material, thickness and design of the rear bulkhead, those corrugated sheets won't handle a load.
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Old 06-26-2008, 10:23 AM
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Take a look at http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...light=golf+bag
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:27 PM
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Congrats on post 2000...

I guess it depends on what Van's considers "structural." I'm sure it does carry some loads, it is riveted to the airframe after all. I guess what I meant was, it's not a primary load carrying structure, like the skin or spar. Don't remove it entirely, but as long as the basic framework is there, there is not any tension or compression in the bulkhead skin as far as I can tell. When you are up flying next time push on it with your finger and see how much oil-canning there is...
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:37 PM
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Guys,

Bruce Reynolds works for Van's. He gave me my demo flight. I think I'd listen to what he is hinting at. I'm not an engineer, but I know you can over build and come up with the same end result as having a structure too weak. Unless you have a real good aero engineer look at what you plan, I'd tread easy in these waters.

My two cents... back to the garage.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:29 PM
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Default I asked Van's about 2 years ago

And was told an extended baggage area was probably possible so long as the CG and control systems were uncompromised.

I would think if it were truly "structural" meaning "required to be installed unmodified exactly per plans to withstand flight loads", they would have pointed that out.
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