Radio Calls - Procedures on the ground

[JDRhodes]

Un-necessary radio use drives me knuts! At our uncontrolled field, it seems that instructors are teaching students to make radio calls and traffic advisories while taxiing on the ramp. "So and so traffic, N1234 taxiing to runway 1." I also frequently hear, "So and so traffic, Cessna N1234 is 7 mile s west of the airport at 4500 feet maneuvering." Or, So and so traffic, Cessna 1234 is 10 miles to the northwest at 6500 feet transitioning to the southeast." And the increasingly popular, "... any traffic in the area, please advise!" What does this mean? And why ask it? It doesn't give you any useful info that listening for a few minutes wouldn't give you.

Come on! Traffic advisories in the pattern for safety's sake - fine. If you are going to transition THROUGH the pattern and want to make a call to let everyone know that you are there - fine.

I don't need to hear on the radio that you are on the taxiway - I can see you there, even in IFR conditions. And I don't need to hear that you are flying through the neighborhood at a location and altitude that does not affect the airport traffic at all.

Come on CFI's - teach these new pilots not only how to talk on the radio, but why we do it and when it is and is not necessary.

[nucleus]

Hmm... I don't mind the taxi and maneuvering reports. The taxi report lets me know that someone is going to be taking off soon. I also like to hear about traffic in the general vicinity so I can make decision which way to fly out or in to avoid them, or so that I can be watching for them.

"Any traffic please advise", you can flush that down the toilet.

Hans

[Brantel]

While I agree with the "Any Traffic Please Advise" comment, the others are just fine. That one though is worthless and also gives the PIC a false sense of security.

You better not take a checkride with a certain examiner from KVJI....Seems you can't talk enough on the radio at an uncontrolled field for him to be happy.

Suppose some super dupper student just announced that he was taxiing for takeoff on runway 5 and everyone else in the pattern is using 23, would be good to know this before he took off againts the flow of traffic no?

[Geico266]

I'm with Brian. Advising that traffic is moving on a taxi way is a good indication of their position and intentions, not only for traffic on the ground but traffic in the pattern or close to the airport. Maneuvering close to the pattern is also appropriate because someone taking off may be heading in the direction.

Why does this bother you so much?

[JDRhodes]

Originally Posted by nucleus

. The taxi report lets me know that someone is going to be taking off soon.

It might be 5 - 10 or more minutes between when someone leaves the parking spot before they take off and become any factor to any airborne traffic. Wouldn't "N1234 departing RWY 1 turning westbound" before you apply TO power be more useful and save a little radio chatter on a crowded frequency?

[Brantel]

Originally Posted by JDRhodes

It might be 5 - 10 or more minutes between when someone leaves the parking spot before they take off and become any factor to any airborne traffic. Wouldn't "N1234 departing RWY 1 turning westbound" before you apply TO power be more useful and save a little radio chatter on a crowded frequency?

Might be about 10 seconds if someone decided to make a taxiway departure or they were really close to the departure end of the runway when they made the call. Expecially if they decide not to do a run-up.

I see it all the time so I know people do these things.

Also in an RV, you can be off and at manuvering altitude in a hurry! It is nice to know if someone is doing stalls a few miles to the ? direction so you don't run over them as they have their nose in the air.

[JDRhodes]

Originally Posted by Geico266

Why does this bother you so much?

Because on a nice Sunday afternoon the popular freqs do nothing but squeal with pilots stepping all over each other. I like effeciency, I guess.

[RV7Factory]

They are probably teaching it because the AIM recommends it, see Table 4-1-1.

[Brantel]

Originally Posted by RV7Factory

They are probably teaching it because the AIM recommends it, see Table 4-1-1.

You can spot them active Instrument Students a mile away.. They have the FAR/AIM memorized front to back!

Thanks Brad!

[n5lp]

Originally Posted by nucleus

..."Any traffic please advise", you can flush that down the toilet.

Hans

From Brad's AIM reference "Pilots stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition."

It seems like the worst ones for doing this are the commuter airliners. It makes me think that some of the big training places are the ones that got that horrible practice going.