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04-05-2008, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Sugar Land, Texas
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Experimental plane & pilot requirements
Hello group.
Today, I went to get my BFR to a different place than I normally go. They held a ground school for four of us. There were a lot of things discussed. Many of them I did not know. The ground school did not cover experimentals. If the experimental requirements are any thing close to general aviation you will be surprised. I put these questions to the group. These questions relate to experimentals not general aviation.
I bet manyt of us don?t have all the stuff needed for the plane or the pilot.
QUESTIONS (for experimentals only)
1. Do you know what things the PLANE has to have to be legal for flight? Day & night. For ABCDEG airspace.
2. Do you know what things the PILOT has to have to be legal for flight? Day & night. For ABCDEG airspace.
Once all these questions are answered, should the site save them in a special file for all to reference?
Thanks, Ivan from Sugar Land, Texas.
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04-05-2008, 07:30 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Savannah, GA
Posts: 1,849
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Really just about everything is similiar for legal flight for pilot and plane. The experimental plane must have experimental labels.
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Todd
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RV-10 Vesta V8 LS2/BMA EFIS/One formerly flying at 3J1 Hobbs stopped at 150 hours
Savannah, GA and Ridgeland, SC
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04-05-2008, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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BTW, Experimentals are "general aviation".
The only odd thing about Experimentals is that there are no endorsements such as high performance, complex, and/or tail wheel required, unless they are written in the aircraft?s operating limitations.
I did not know this until my FAA inspector pointed it out to me and made sure I had my TW endorsement.
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RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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04-05-2008, 08:00 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 1,324
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"Stuff?"
I'm with Todd on this, it is rather simple. Assuming that the experimental aircraft has finished Phase 1 and has the proper equipment and wording in the Opps Specs, you are good to go. For the pilot, same story, properly rated for what you want to do. Things like an instrument rating to fly in Class A or a sign-off to fly in Class B on a Student Pilot License are no different in an experimental or certified aircraft.
So what did they teach you that was so surprising??
John Clark ATP, CFI
FAAST Team Representative
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
KSBA
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04-05-2008, 10:05 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 5,122
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Question for Mel (or another FAA-knowledgeable person) - do we as experimental flyers need a high-altitude signoff before flight about any given flight level?
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now. 
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04-05-2008, 10:20 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
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O.K., I'll take a guess.
Q1. ARROW, for the paperwork, IIRC. Oil pressure gauge, fuel gauge, compass, airspeed and (?) altimeter.
Q2. Pilot Cert, medical, current BFR.
Above are for day VFR minimums.
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Mike Starkey
VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010 
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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04-05-2008, 11:04 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Posts: 1,324
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High Altitudes
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Originally Posted by airguy
Question for Mel (or another FAA-knowledgeable person) - do we as experimental flyers need a high-altitude signoff before flight about any given flight level?
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A High Altitude Endorsement is required over FL250 (25000 feet.) Interestingly the regulation says "pressurized aircraft" but if you are planning on anything in the flight levels I would strongly recommend the training. Bruce Bohannan not withstanding, I really don't think you want to be anywhere near FL250 in an RV!
Here is an Advisory Circular on the subject:
http://tinyurl.com/5vjvoz
John Clark
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04-06-2008, 06:10 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Louisville, Ga
Posts: 7,840
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Oplims...
......must be carried aboard experimental AB aircraft as well as airworthiness and registration certificates,
Regards,
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Pierre Smith
RV-10, 510 TT
RV6A (Sojourner) 180 HP, Catto 3 Bl (502Hrs), gone...and already missed
Air Tractor AT 502B PT 6-15 Sold
Air Tractor 402 PT-6-20 Sold
EAA Flight Advisor/CFI/Tech Counselor
Louisville, Ga
It's never skill or craftsmanship that completes airplanes, it's the will to do so,
Patrick Kenny, EAA 275132
Dues gladly paid!
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04-06-2008, 06:37 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,762
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike S
Oil pressure gauge, fuel gauge, compass, airspeed and (?) altimeter.
Above are for day VFR minimums.
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These requirements come from 91.205 which applies only to "Standard" certificated aircraft. 91.205 does apply to amateur-builts for night and IFR operations per your operating limitations.
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Mel Asberry, DAR since the last century.
EAA Flight Advisor/Tech Counselor, Friend of the RV-1
Recipient of Tony Bingelis Award and Wright Brothers Master Pilot Award
USAF Vet, High School E-LSA Project Mentor.
RV-6 Flying since 1993 (sold)
<rvmel(at)icloud.com>
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04-06-2008, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 5,122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Clark
A High Altitude Endorsement is required over FL250 (25000 feet.) Interestingly the regulation says "pressurized aircraft" but if you are planning on anything in the flight levels I would strongly recommend the training. Bruce Bohannan not withstanding, I really don't think you want to be anywhere near FL250 in an RV!
Here is an Advisory Circular on the subject:
http://tinyurl.com/5vjvoz
John Clark
RV8 N18U "Sunshine"
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That was my understanding, that it would not apply to an unpressurized aircraft. Granted, you're tickling the dragons tail in any case - just curious about the paper requirements for actually doing it.
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Greg Niehues - SEL, IFR, Repairman Cert.
Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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