Mistral proceeds toward certification

[Rotary10-RV]

Originally Posted by SvingenB

I got a reply from Mistral today. An experimental G-200 (there will be no more G-190) costs 27,200 € with a delivery time of 3 to 6 months. A certified version will be available next summer at earliest.

27,200 € is exactly twice as much as a Mattituck IO 360 at 180 HP (22,200 US$), even more than a 200 HP 360. I guess this answers all my questions

The wonderful effect of the current weak dollar, 43K by my current conversion calculator. Too bad, it will hurt their sales for certain.

B, was that EURO? OR Swiss Francs? I assumed Euro. It makes a huge difference as in Francs it would work out to $27,148.00 which would be more in the ballpark, Probably wishful thinking on my part. I had a chance to buy a 2 rotor real early for super cheap if I could have brought the RV-10 to Osh the next year. Couldn't do it curse the luck.

Bill Jepson

[SvingenB]

The mail said Euro.

[gmcjetpilot]

Originally Posted by SvingenB

The mail said Euro.

27.5k Euro is $42,822.50 USD! Ouch That makes more sense, since the projected price of a G-190 was over $31,000 in 2004. Just the PSRU was $7k in 2004, if they would sell you one. Pretty sure it did not get cheaper. Of course you still need and engine mount, radiator and other goodies to make it work. I see the cost thing being a hindrance to sales.

[Rotary10-RV]

Originally Posted by gmcjetpilot

27.5k Euro is $42,822.50 USD! Ouch That makes more sense since the projected price of a G-190 was over $31,000 in 2004. Just the PSRU was $7k in 2004, if they would sell you one. Pretty sure it did not get cheaper. Of course you still need and engine mount, radiator and other goodies to make it work. I see the cost thing being a hindrance to sales.

Hindrance, heck that is more of a showstopper. Yea that number is just wrong, (not incorrect just wrong), and that is comming from a rotary supporting guy. They just won't sell at that price. Too Bad. If everything is even including the price you will have trouble getting people to change. Unless the thing PRODUCES gasoline I don't think they will do well at that price.
A minor point in their favor is that the two rotor has an integrated dynafocal mount on the back so you can use a conventional engine mount. I believe the 3 rotor is going to accept the engine mount for a 6 cyl Continental, the bed mount style. I hope the currency sorts out so the prices can be realistic.
Bill Jepson

[gmcjetpilot]

Originally Posted by Rotary10-RV

I believe the 3 rotor is going to accept the engine mount for a 6 cyl Continental, the bed mount style. I hope the currency sorts out so the prices can be realistic.
Bill Jepson

I love the Lyc dynafocal, but from an engineering stand point the BED mount, 4-corner method is really great for tuning vibration and deflection characteristics. Lets face it cantilevering ++300 lbs of spinning gyroscopic prop, engine and stuff off four points has pros and cons. If you need help designing a mount, shoot it by me. I use to analyze stuff like that. A good place to start is just look at a Continental mount. Other engines, like the in-line rangers had bed mounts I recall. Sounds like a fun project. Get some tubes and start welding.

You know who really does good tube work now a days, are the off road, truck, rock crawler and race guys. They make steel tube roll bars, frames and all manner of tubing. Tube technology and skill has been kind of lost in the Aviation world. My point is a hard core tube shop for the Off Road/Race crowed might be a good place to help fab it. They use top quality ("aerospace") steel tubes and have all manner of special tools to fab tube structures easily and very accurately. They also tend to make nice welds, since they are out in the open. It has to be way cheaper than going to some Aviation shop for a custom deal. If you get it on CAD, they can make duplicates. Usually a steel Jig needs to be made, but with the computer aided stuff and accurate ways they have to cut tubes now, you might get away with out? You might make several down the road and sell them to other three rotor RV'ers for the Dash 10?

[Rotary10-RV]

Originally Posted by gmcjetpilot

I love the Lyc dynafocal, but from an engineering stand point the BED mount, 4-corner method is really great for tuning vibration and deflection characteristics. Lets face it cantilevering ++300 lbs of spinning gyroscopic prop, engine and stuff off four points has pros and cons. If you need help designing a mount, shoot it by me. I use to analyze stuff like that. A good place to start is just look at a Continental mount. Other engines, like the in-line rangers had bed mounts I recall. Sounds like a fun project. Get some tubes and start welding.

You know who really does good tube work now a days, are the off road, truck, rock crawler and race guys. They make steel tube roll bars, frames and all manner of tubing. Tube technology and skill has been kind of lost in the Aviation world. My point is a hard core tube shop for the Off Road/Race crowed might be a good place to help fab it. They use top quality ("aerospace") steel tubes and have all manner of special tools to fab tube structures easily and very accurately. They also tend to make nice welds, since they are out in the open. It has to be way cheaper than going to some Aviation shop for a custom deal. If you get it on CAD, they can make duplicates. Usually a steel Jig needs to be made, but with the computer aided stuff and accurate ways they have to cut tubes now, you might get away with out? You might make several down the road and sell them to other three rotor RV'ers for the Dash 10?

Yes George, I'm interested in doing several products for -10 installs, or simply 3 rotor installs. I won't advertise until I have something in hand though.
Bill Jepson