VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Main > RV General Discussion/News
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-30-2008, 09:18 AM
Paul Eastham's Avatar
Paul Eastham Paul Eastham is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 506
Default Speed vs. wheel fairing gaps (vs. safety)

In my rush to get my airplane flying, I ended up with some decent gaps between the wheel fairings and the tire itself. I was shooting for about half an inch (thumb width, the short way), but got a fair bit more in spots. No more than an inch in the worst spots, I believe.

I am curious if anyone has opinions, or better yet data, about whether reducing these gaps will have any measurable speed impact. I know some people recently increased their gaps due to fear about popped tires, did you measure a speed decrease?
__________________
Paul Eastham - Mountain View CA
RV-9A standard build, flying! ~300 hrs
EAA Chapter 338 San Jose
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-30-2008, 10:55 AM
Ron Lee's Avatar
Ron Lee Ron Lee is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,275
Default

I was thinking about this yesterday. Would it be possible to come up with a rubber-like insert that takes up most of the gap yet is pliable enough to allow for tire flexing? Of course it would have to be shown to be beneficial in terms of speed.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-30-2008, 11:26 AM
Christopher Murphy Christopher Murphy is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: colorado
Posts: 872
Default be careful

I know some guys who built a beautiful Lindy award winning Tailwind. Made their wheel fairings so close that on the first landing with them on, the tire grabbed the fairing and pulled it under the wheel. Tore up their nice plane as pieces of the fairing got flung off.

If you want your plane to go fast keep it light!
Chris
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-30-2008, 11:37 AM
Bob Axsom Bob Axsom is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 5,685
Default Tom Martin has done this

Tom Martin has inserted rubber seals in the fairings of his EVO Rocket. Perhaps he will comment here. He and I have exchanged e-mails on the subject. There are some operational problems caused by the contact interface especially at the rear. There was some agreement that if you pointed the contact edge of the rubber at the center of rotation of the wheel you could overcome that problem. I have had other thoughts as well but have not tried anything in the area of a soft seal. On my airplane I have an older flat sided nose wheel fairing and the more uniform shaped pressure recovery main wheel fairings. After months of thinking and e-mail exchanges with Tom Martin I decided to develop a subfairing for the nose wheel. Originally probably a third of the wheel is exposed and when I had my first encounter with high speed wobble due to low breakout force I thought there was tire to fairing contact so I increased the clearance to about what you describe here. Currently I am flying with the subfairing installed that extends down to approximately 1" above the ground and is trimmed back 3/16" from intimate wheel contact. The actual clearance is much less than 3/16" because of the angles involved but --- THE POINT OF NEAREST ENCOUNTER IS BEYOND THE MAXINUM FLEX POINT OF THE TIRE AND THE FAIRING EDGES ARE ALMOST TANGENT TO THE TIRE. So the side deflection occurs up inside the fairing and any contact (I have not seen any evidence of actual contact yet) is a low conflict rub. I have not done anything with the mains yet and there does not appear to be as much potential for speed gains there.

Bob Axsom

Last edited by Bob Axsom : 03-30-2008 at 11:37 AM. Reason: typo
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-30-2008, 12:22 PM
Ironflight's Avatar
Ironflight Ironflight is offline
VAF Moderator / Line Boy
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,247
Default

Way back in Phase 1, I opened up my clearances from "too tight" (because I cut a tire) to a little more than a thumb's width. Any speed decrease was hidden by the scatter of the speed testing data, maybe a knot or two at most - maybe nothing. I'd rather lose a knot than blow a tire again!

Paul
__________________
Paul F. Dye
Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
RV-8 - N188PD - "Valkyrie"
RV-6 (By Marriage) - N164MS - "Mikey"
RV-3B - N13PL - "Tsamsiyu"
A&P, EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor
Dayton Valley Airpark (A34)
http://Ironflight.com
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-30-2008, 04:43 PM
Tom Martin Tom Martin is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,544
Default

I have quite a few hours on my plane now with the soft seals in the wheel pants. I used two types of baffle material for the seals. The soft type of baffle material did not last very well. The baffle material, as supplied in Van's kits, seems to wear quite well.
When I first installed the seals I did show a slight increase in speed compared to my normal test plane. However with the wear of the one type of baffle material that difference quickly went away. The seal must be tight or there is no benefit. Bob Axoms idea regarding moving the seal to a lower point on the tire has merit but it probably means that these additions should be easily removable as they certainly would not be suitable for my grass strip or normal flight operations. Also the baffle seals freeze to the tires very easily which means that I would have to remove my wheel pants for a greater part of the year than I would normally, for cold winter conditions.
I am going to do some more experimentation here this year but I would not consider this type of modification unless you are trying to get the last little bit of speed for competition reasons.
__________________
Tom Martin RV1 pilot 4.6hours!
CPL & IFR rated
EVO F1 Rocket 1000 hours,
2010 SARL Rocket 100 race, average speed of 238.6 knots/274.6mph
RV4, RV7, RV10, two HRIIs and five F1 Rockets
RV14 Tail dragger

Fairlea Field
St.Thomas, Ontario Canada, CYQS
fairleafield@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-30-2008, 06:04 PM
Paul Eastham's Avatar
Paul Eastham Paul Eastham is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 506
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Martin View Post
.
I am going to do some more experimentation here this year but I would not consider this type of modification unless you are trying to get the last little bit of speed for competition reasons.
Thanks very much for the information.
__________________
Paul Eastham - Mountain View CA
RV-9A standard build, flying! ~300 hrs
EAA Chapter 338 San Jose
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:21 AM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.