Satisying Insurance Requirements

[USCANAM]

We're less than a month away from first flight in our -9A, so have been working in insurance.
I'm a 6000 hr. ATP, currently flying my One Design aerobatic plane.
Insurance is requiring me to have 1 hour CFI time in a RV9A before I can get insurance.
There are no 9A's in my area, (Cape Cod Mass.) and after having some discussion with the insurance rep, he thinks he might be able to get the carrier to accept time in a similar RV.
I'm wondering what others have done to satisfy the carrier's requiremnets.
Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated
Thanks All
Jack
N99552

[N941WR]

Jack,

I was a 350 hr PPL w/ 150 hrs TW when I was ready for the first flight in my -9 (not -9A).

Initially Falcon asked for 3 hours in an RV-9. When I explained that there were probably on 12 RV-9's flying in the world they relented and said I only needed three hours in any side-by-side two seat RV tail dragger.

Thus a friend let me fly his -6 from the right seat for four hours. He wasn't even a CFI, which wasn't required.

Apparently I'll get a break on the rate when I pass 100 hours in type. My only fear now is that they will ding me for putting too many hours on it in a year.

In seven months I have flown it over 100 hours.

[Build9A]

My insurance company accepted transition training in a 6A for my 9A.

[roadrunner20]

I just got quotes for insurance today.

550TT, 225 MM(make/model RV)
120 hrs last 12 months

Falcon
Liability only = $650(same as last year)
75K hull = $1950($100 < last year)

Avemco
Liability only = $800
75K hull = $4000

I can't believe Avemco's quote, twice as much.
I guess they're not interesetd in the experimental market.

[Tom Schad]

You might try AUA. My RV-8 with 70k hull is $1450.00 per year. I do have a commercial insturment and a bunch of tail wheel time which helps. I also have about about 125 hours in the 8. Shop around and see what you can find. I've never had any luck with Avemco.

[Steve Brown]

I had only 1100 hours, private with instrument and my insurance let me check out in an RV10.
The checkout ended up being 1.2 hours.
There was also a 2 hour solo requirement. So, for the first 2 hours after I bought my 9A I could not carry passengers.

[the_other_dougreeves]

The -9 is a fairly straight forward airplane and should be Ok for folks transitioning from most GA airplanes - it isn't twitchy, it isn't sluggish, it's ... just right. If you've only ever flown 172s, it might be a surprise, but you should be able to handle it. 1 hr CFI seems reasonable.

I've found the requirements for LSA much higher, FWIW. Most carriers require 3 hr CFI / 5 total for LSA insurance to become effective. However, unless you've been flying LSA all along, you might need it. They are light and have a different landing picture / feel - with full flaps, the CT is very nose down, for example. Most landing accidents in the CT and Evektor have been higher time pilots with minimal to no time in the accident airplane. In order to get my last CFI time, I had to travel from ADS to RHV (San Jose) and rent a CT there.

TODR

[Jekyll]

Falcon was satisified with 5 hours or a signoff in a nose gear RV. I got signed off by Mike Seager in a 10 and all was good with the world.

Jekyll
7A

[JDRhodes]

Originally Posted by Tom Schad

You might try AUA. My RV-8 with 70k hull is $1450.00 per year. I do have a commercial insturment and a bunch of tail wheel time which helps. I also have about about 125 hours in the 8. Shop around and see what you can find. I've never had any luck with Avemco.

Need to remember - AUA, Falcon, Nationair, and others are aviation insurance brokers, not insurance companies. They don't have any say in the premiums, the pilot stipulations, limits offered, etc. They go to the insurers and bring back the quotes from - hopefully - multiple companies for us to choose from. Avemco is the exception to that. They are a direct writer.

If AUA and Falcon are bringing you different terms, something's different in the request or the quote, because the've both shopped the same markets. Different limits, different pilots, different hull value - something.

The actual insurers are AIG, Global Aerospace, Phoenix, USAIG, US Specialty, and some others.

Generally, if you don't like the terms your broker is giving you - blame the market. Going to another broker probably won't help. If you don't like the person you are dealing with - switch brokers and use someone you like / trust.

My $0.02.

[Ron Lee]

Jeff, would I be correct in saying that if the RV community drastically lowered our accident rate then our insurance rates would drop?