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03-10-2008, 05:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Detroit, MI
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Finally, I get to correct George
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Originally Posted by gmcjetpilot
Slower than most RV'ers are willing to fly. I'll take the philosophical approach and say there is one speed, it depends on your point of reference.
There is min speed which is not efficient*
There is max speed which is not efficient
There is best cruise, trade a little efficiency (range) for time*
There is best range, which is slow and gives max range
There is best endurance which is max time aloft or close to L/D max.
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(emphasis added)
The speed for best endurance /time aloft is approximately 76% of the speed for L/D max and the Carson's speed is 1.316 times the L/D max speed. L/D max is approximately the best range speed, too, with corrections for wind. But that's what you meant, I know. Carson's speed in an RV is way below 75%. Even in my old C-150, 75% was beyond Carson's.
Of course, the original question wasn't about this but about how to best use the engine for a given speed. Or at least that's what I think he was asking. CAFE says Carson's speed is the optimum speed for efficiency.
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03-10-2008, 10:14 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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About time
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Originally Posted by hevansrv7a
(emphasis added)
The speed for best endurance /time aloft is approximately 76% of the speed for L/D max and the Carson's speed is 1.316 times the L/D max speed. L/D max is approximately the best range speed, too, with corrections for wind. But that's what you meant, I know. Carson's speed in an RV is way below 75%. Even in my old C-150, 75% was beyond Carson's.
Of course, the original question wasn't about this but about how to best use the engine for a given speed. Or at least that's what I think he was asking. CAFE says Carson's speed is the optimum speed for efficiency.
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I was seeing if you where paying attention....ha ha  Yep great points. Back to my real point in too many words, short, efficiency is an elusive thing and varies based on many factors, not the least is the human that wants to get there today. Some pilots define efficiency as getting there faster.
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Last edited by gmcjetpilot : 03-10-2008 at 10:17 PM.
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04-21-2009, 05:45 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
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a question
Hey!, any of you guys knows what exactly is the Carson's Speed?, I need a clear concept. Thank you in advance.
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04-21-2009, 06:34 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Detroit, MI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cristian254
Hey!, any of you guys knows what exactly is the Carson's Speed?, I need a clear concept. Thank you in advance.
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Carson's Speed is your best L/D times 1.32, approximately.
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/technicl/p...s/perfspds.htm
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"We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!" -J.L. Seagull
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04-21-2009, 11:18 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Northern California
Posts: 153
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Originally Posted by hevansrv7a
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Indicated or true?
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04-21-2009, 11:19 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: santa barbara, CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike S
Anyway, the method was WOT, keep on adding prop to min RPM, and lean, lean, lean.
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This is consistent with what John Deakin preaches in his articles, although I was never able to discern exactly what "minimum RPM" meant. Kinda freaks me out when the engine gets quieter and quieter...
erich
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04-22-2009, 03:49 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Detroit, MI
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another link
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Originally Posted by RV3 Pilot
Indicated or true?
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Calibrated.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~n17hh/CarsonSpeed.html
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"We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!" -J.L. Seagull
Paid $25.00 "dues" net of PayPal cost for 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (December).
This airplane is for sale: see website. my website
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