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Old 02-20-2008, 10:05 AM
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Default NOTAM Regarding Satellite Intercept

I thought this would be of interest to this audience...

The NOTAM (NOTice To AirMen) warning reads:

02/062 (A0038/08) - AIRSPACE CARF NR. 90 ON EVELYN STATIONARY RESERVATION WITHIN AN AREA BNDD BY 3145N 17012W 2824N 16642W 2352N 16317W 1909N 16129W 1241N 16129W 1239N 16532W 1842N 17057W 2031N 17230W 2703N 17206W SFC-UNL. 21 FEB 02:30 2008 UNTIL 21 FEB 05:00 2008. CREATED: 18 FEB 12:51 2008
A "CARF" (Central Altitude Reservation Function) designation indicates a NOTAM intended to keep commercial and private flights clear of military operations, and SFC-UNL means the height band of this warning zone reaches from the surface to "unlimited" altitude - in other words all the way into space. The UTC time referred to is the same as UK time, so the zone exists from 0230 to 0500 on Thursday morning for British readers.

The latitudes and longitudes can be plotted with the crippled spy sat's ground track overlaid, which has been done by satellite watcher Ted Molczan in handy pdf form here. Those running Google Earth can get a better look using this kmz file, compiled by Molczan's fellow sky-watcher Alan Clegg from the pdf.

As will be evident, the barred area is a cool 1,400 miles long and nearly 700 miles wide at the surface, giving the US Navy plenty of elbow room to fire their interceptor missiles up into the descending spacecraft's path.

Reports have it that three US Aegis air-defence warships, the cruiser Lake Erie and the destroyers Decatur and Russell, will be waiting for the satellite west of Hawaii. Each ship carries a specially modified Standard SM-3 interceptor, originally intended for defence against lower-flying ballistic missile warheads. The three interceptors are on separate ships in case of a technical issue with the Aegis radar and fire-control system.

As it passes over the firing area, the satellite will be approximately 3,000 miles and ten minutes out from the western coast of Canada, the next land it will pass over. The satellite has much more mass than the soaring "exo-atmospheric kill vehicle" it will smack into, so this gives some idea of the onward track the wreckage might follow in the event of a hit.

The Pentagon believes most of the resulting debris from a successful shot will burn up soon afterwards, and almost all should be gone within "two orbits". Boosters and other gubbins from the interceptors will presumably fall within the ocean NOTAM area.

The firing area seems to have been chosen so as to minimise the chances of debris falling anywhere other than in the ocean or North America, which could lend credence to the idea that the intercept is primarily aimed at safeguarding the satellite's technology.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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So who are we trying to impress with this show of missile technology, the Iranians, N. Koreans, Chinese, or maybe the French???
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:32 AM
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So who are we trying to impress with this show of missile technology, the Iranians, N. Koreans, Chinese, or maybe the French???
All of the above.
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Old 02-20-2008, 10:44 AM
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So who are we trying to impress with this show of missile technology, the Iranians, N. Koreans, Chinese, or maybe the French???
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All of the above.
We have to hit the thing first!
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:42 AM
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If I was a -777 guy, I'd be dropping that Narita trip on Thursday

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Old 02-20-2008, 12:16 PM
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So who are we trying to impress with this show of missile technology, the Iranians, N. Koreans, Chinese, or maybe the French???
You forgot the Russkies. then we go with all the above
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Old 02-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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If I was a -777 guy, I'd be dropping that Narita trip on Thursday

Joe
No kidding! Yet another reason not to do Pacific flying.

At least "boring" Omaha turns don't expose you to Exo-Atmospheric Kill vehicles... usually.
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Old 02-20-2008, 01:42 PM
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No kidding! Yet another reason not to do Pacific flying.

At least "boring" Omaha turns don't expose you to Exo-Atmospheric Kill vehicles... usually.




Ever eaten at Pete's Taco Shack in Omaha? Intra-Atmospheric Kill vehicles are the specialty

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Old 02-20-2008, 03:58 PM
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Direct hit not required. Proximity warheads are used, think of it as flak.
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:38 PM
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Direct hit not required. Proximity warheads are used, think of it as flak...
In this case, a kinetic interceptor will be used. http://www.space.com/news/080214-sn-destroy-spysat.html
There has to be physical contact for anything to happen. The hydrazine tank is about 40 inches across.
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