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01-17-2008, 08:55 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Detroit, MI
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Gasohol Warning
Today I bought and tested Mobil premium in the Detroit area. Although Michigan's purity standards would say otherwise, it was at least 5% ethanol. Oops.
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"We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill. We can be free! We can learn to fly!" -J.L. Seagull
Paid $25.00 "dues" net of PayPal cost for 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018 (December).
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01-18-2008, 08:47 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Most metropolitan areas put alcohol in the fuel to replace the MTBE that was outlawed a few years back. Mostly 5 or 10 %. There is normally a sign on the pump saying the fuel is "x" percent ethanol.
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Mahlon
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01-18-2008, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: south carolina
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curious
have others noticed getting less fuel mileage as compared to a year ago? i suspect they are cutting fuel with ethanol and not mentioning it.
my mileage has dropped of a significant amount.
curiously 40-50 miles per tank.
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01-18-2008, 09:25 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 8I3
Posts: 3,562
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Bob Japundza CFI A&PIA
N9187P PA-24-260B Comanche, flying
N678X F1 Rocket, under const.
N244BJ RV-6 "victim of SNF tornado" 1200+ hrs, rebuilding
N8155F C150 flying
N7925P PA-24-250 Comanche, restoring
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01-18-2008, 10:06 AM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
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Bob, thanks the link.
Just as in other energy panaceas, the truth is often buried in the hype.
Solar electric for instance. I remember about 20 years ago, when the last government driven push was in full swing, solar panel output was a lot lower than it is today, and the total output of a panel over its estimated life was only about 80% of the electricity used to smelt the aluminum, silicon, and glass needed to make the panel in the first place!!!
I wonder if todays PV panel is up to at least recovering what it took to produce??
TANSTAAFL.
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VAF 909
Rv-10, N210LM.
Flying as of 12/4/2010
Phase 1 done, 2/4/2011 
Sold after 240+ wonderful hours of flight.
"Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person on the ground incapable of understanding or doing anything about it."
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01-18-2008, 10:13 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Waukesha, Wisconsin
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Science isnt driving this effort...Farming lobby is well funded. If you could run an engine on cheese the dairy lobby would be in on it as well.
Makes the $1,000 toilet seat pale in comparison.
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin (Timmerman Field)
N377KG - Flying (250 hrs)
RV-7A, Aerosport O-360, WW200RV
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Avidyne IFD440
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01-18-2008, 12:51 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: STL/3K6
Posts: 399
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bugsy
Science isnt driving this effort...Farming lobby is well funded. If you could run an engine on cheese the dairy lobby would be in on it as well.
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I know were not to discuss politics, feminism, or religion but gawd that is the kind of political cynicism I love in election years.
Well put!!!! And sadly true.
BOT, to a degree, it does seem that ethanol is a bit of a joke depending on who you listen to. 10% in gasohol doesn't touch our foreign dependence but the recent push to increase ethanol production has raised corn prices and threatens food availability for the worlds poor! And down here in the corn belt I have farmer friends who are still paid NOT to grow corn!
I don't have the answer so I'll just shut up on that now.
That said, when I get around to putting a mogas compatible engine in the -8, what's the most power out there in a 4 banger?? Can you get any of the 390 or 400 ci experimental lyclons to run mogas?? I'm guessing 100ll will be pushing 5/gal at least when I finish in 2015 so a mogas burner is likely. How much power can I get?
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01-18-2008, 01:38 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 3,275
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$5/gallon 100LL in 2015?
According to Airnav the USA average is $4.60 a gallon. I sure don't want any more increases but does anyone expect $2.00/gallon anytime soon?
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01-18-2008, 04:38 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Garden City, Tx
Posts: 5,122
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4.95 in KSJT last week, Ranger Aviation.
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Garden City, TX VAF 2020 dues paid 
N16GN flying 700 hrs and counting; IO360, SDS, WWRV200, Dynon HDX, 430W
Built an off-plan RV9A with too much fuel and too much HP. Should drop dead any minute now.
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