VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Avionics / Interiors / Fiberglass > Electrical Systems
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-01-2007, 08:42 PM
szicree szicree is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,061
Question B-lead amperage

Please excuse this if it's a dumb question, but I understand that the B-lead needs to carry enough juice to cover the needs of all my equipment, but it also needs to recharge whatever the battery may have lost since the last time I ran it, right? How much is this? My entire plane needs less than 20 amps with everything on and I have a 60 amp alternator, so how much above that 20 amps is gonna pass through the B-lead? Thanks to all.
__________________
Steve Zicree
Fullerton, Ca. w/beautiful 2.5 year old son
RV-4 99% built and sold
Rag and tube project well under way

paid =VAF= dues through June 2013
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-02-2007, 05:49 AM
gmcjetpilot's Avatar
gmcjetpilot gmcjetpilot is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 4,283
Default Hummmm #6 is SOP

You usually plan wire for the following significant factors:

Max Amps
Min voltage drop
Temp rise (bundled or out in the open?)
Length
Weight
Durability


I would size the B-lead for the alternators full 60 amp rating not the intended/estimated 20 amp load, simply because the alternator can get to the full +60 amps. Did you include the initial battery charge current right after start? That can be 7 amps or more?

My recommendation, #6, assuming 60 amps cont over 6 feet. Why? First it's just plan more robust, bigger, tougher and the crimp will be easier to make with more contact area. The wire and terminal will be less likely to break from engine vibration and fatigue. It's like the ground. The run is short so super-size it and get min loss of voltage and take a small weight hit. To be a minimalist you could live with a wire as small as #8, especially since you are unlikely to get near 60 amps. Going smaller, say to #10 "would work" but the wire would get very HOT at 60 amps! (like 117F over ambient in a small bundle)

If you want to stick with the min 20 amps design, you could use #10 awg. You could use a #14 bare min, but that would be a poor choice for all the above criteria. It "would work" but get real hot and have almost 5% V drop. The min for 20 amps I'd use would be #10. Again don't forget about battery charging load. Actual load might surprise you? #10 would still work for 30 amps.

You might think a smaller B-lead wire size for 20 amps would act as a fuse and melt at 60 amps. Well not exactly but regardless you never want 6 feet of red hot wire. Of course, you should have a CB/Fuse on the buss/battery end of the B-lead to protect from shorts.

Building a racing record braking plane I might save the weight, but for a RV-4, go with durability. Also if you where saving weight you'd go with a 40 amp alternator or an accessory driven B&C 20 amp permanent magnet dynamo. 60 amp alternators weigh several pounds more than the 40 amp units. The good thing about having a 60 amp unit, you have room to grow; also a 60 amp alternator should run cooler, which is goodness.
__________________
George
Raleigh, NC Area
RV-4, RV-7, ATP, CFII, MEI, 737/757/767

2020 Dues Paid

Last edited by gmcjetpilot : 11-02-2007 at 06:28 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-02-2007, 07:22 PM
szicree szicree is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,061
Default

Thanks George. Lots of good advice with details. This thing might actually fly someday.
__________________
Steve Zicree
Fullerton, Ca. w/beautiful 2.5 year old son
RV-4 99% built and sold
Rag and tube project well under way

paid =VAF= dues through June 2013
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:52 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.