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Old 06-09-2007, 11:08 PM
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Default Sikaflex Canopy Questions...

1. Is there any websites of a -7 or -9 with tip ups that show the gluing process? all the links and wiki's I have looked at with exception of the PH-VIII one are all -8 or -4's or sliders..

2. On the tip up how are people keeping a thick bead as per Sika's recommendations and still able to put the side skirts over the canopy? it seems that the plexi has to be perfectly flat in order for it to fit right.

Still trying to learn more about the processes but seems to be a real lack of pictures and instructions for the tip-ups...

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Old 06-10-2007, 09:47 AM
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I don't have pictures of the process (no one available to take them, and I was busy :-)

When I built my frame, I offset the side pieces 1/8" inboard with spacers at the front. I adjusted the rear frame width and height so that I had about a 1/4" gap all around.

So I have at least an 1/8" bead along the sides and I also made sure the bottom edge area had plenty of glue as well. When I glued the canopy in place, I put teflon tape on the side skirts, and clecoed them in place to hold the canopy, but attached them later. The exterior side skirts have some glue on them, but I didn't make any attempt to put a thicker bead there - the inside bead and bottom are going to have to do the main structural job.
On the rear canopy, I left over an inch of canopy extending inside the skin, and sanded the edge behind the skin very well to get a few thousandths more glue there, but I also glued the rear canopy to the chanel at the top. I had about a 1/4" gap between it and the canopy. That joint is definitely enough to hold the plexi in place, and there is enough glue along the edges to hold them down very securely.
Glueing the canopy is definitely a roll-your-own affair, since it's not a mainstream process (yet anyway :-)
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:41 AM
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Default What does Sikaflex NOT stick to.

I hope this does not derail your thread but I think it relevant.

When you work with fiberglass you can use wax or cling film to protect surfaces where you do NOT want a bond. Anyone know what works with Sikaflex?

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Old 06-10-2007, 11:43 AM
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Just don't put any Sika primer.. and it won't stick to it.
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Old 06-10-2007, 04:04 PM
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After looking at the canopy frame, in order for the rear skin to fit at the lower part of the roll bar the whole roll bar needs to be smaller. This means that planning would have to be done before the roll bar is riveted and installed. If you put in a 3/16" gap for the rear window, the skin that goes over the window will not meet flush at the sides.

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Old 06-10-2007, 07:19 PM
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Default No primer no stickee

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I hope this does not derail your thread but I think it relevant.

When you work with fiberglass you can use wax or cling film to protect surfaces where you do NOT want a bond. Anyone know what works with Sikaflex?

Thaniks.
Any unprimed metal surface I accidentally got Sikaflex on, it peeled off quite easily. I used teflon tape on the side skirts when I glued the canopy, and that worked very well.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:05 PM
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Default Sikaflex Canopy Pictures

Hi Matt,

There are several pictures and installation information showing how I glued the tip up canopy on my RV9-A on the Matronics Wiki.

Hope this helps.
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Old 06-10-2007, 11:45 PM
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Jim,

I am very curious, do you have close up pictures of the rear window where the side skin meets the rollbar?

Also, with a 3/16" gap around ribs on the rear of the main part of the canopy did it still fit flush on the rollbar? if so, how did you glue the rear windows on the roll bar so it matched up?

Do you have any close up pictures of the rollbar with the canopy open to see some details?

Lastly, did you finish riveting the canopy frame and skin on before doing this?

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Old 06-11-2007, 01:41 PM
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Matt,

I'll take some pictures when I'm at the airport tomorrow and post them.
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Old 06-11-2007, 02:27 PM
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Thanks, the more, the better and close up if possible. I appreciate it.

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