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Old 05-11-2020, 03:07 PM
Felipemg Felipemg is offline
 
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Default New to taildraggers

I just solo'd on my RV4 (N7071J) and I'm new to tail-draggers, 1,400 hr private IFR used to fly a Piper Malibu where my approach and landing speeds were much higher.

I'm amazed of how slow you have to get in order to actually touch on all 3 wheels and I'm slowly getting used to these new parameters.

I've seen on this forum that there are 2 lines of thought on this issue, some argue to land on the mains then to slow down to lower the tail while the other argue to land on 3 even on x-wind conditions.

So far I've landed in nothing but calm conditions and 3 wheel landings, close to stall speed, have been relatively easy to learn but if feels a little exposed in the case of gusty x-wind conditions.

Can anyone share their experience on this subject to further my learning

Thank y'all for your help

Blessings

Felipe
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Old 05-11-2020, 03:54 PM
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Check out the EAA webinar:

https://www.eaa.org/Videos/Webinars

Mike Seager recommends 3 pointers first, then look at wheel landings later.

Ed Holyoke
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Old 05-11-2020, 04:09 PM
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Felipe, welcome aboard the good ship VAF

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Old 05-11-2020, 04:18 PM
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Good pointer from Ed.

Another one, runway < than say 1200’ = 3 pointers = shorter roll out.
> than say 1200” (or whatever, meaning for me it’s closer to 1K) choose whatever suits u. Basically I always 3point since it is what I learned first and runways can be pretty short around here...
In a nutshell, don’t set your approach speed to your ego, but on your aircraft characteristics, and those RVs fly surprisingly slow
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:03 PM
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The short-wing RVs have a high enough wing loading and sit so low to the ground that cross winds are not a problem even in a 3-point. I 3-pointed my -6 about 95% of the time. My runway is 1500' long@640' elevation and I seldom had to use brakes.
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Old 05-11-2020, 05:41 PM
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Mike Seager gave an EAA webinar earlier this weeked titled "Critical RV Flying Skills" that you might find insightful.
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Old 05-11-2020, 06:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV8JD View Post
Here are some articles by Van himself that may be of interest:
Articles: "How to Fly an RV", "How to Land an RV", and "How to Land an RV, Part 2".
Also, "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot" is a great book on flying taildraggers.
Part 2 mentions slow flying down the runway. I used this technique to help with wheel landing. I would fly down the runway at 75 - 80 mph in the RV-4 trying to keep the wheels just off. At some point the wheels will kiss and you have landed. Find a nice long runway.
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Old 05-11-2020, 08:48 PM
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Here's a small tip that I've found helpful. On base or final, I wiggle my ankles. Sort of reminds them that I might need them and tells 'em to wake up.

Dave
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Old 05-12-2020, 12:33 AM
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I prefer to 3-point my RV4, & find the wheel landing more difficult (..to achieve consistency).
I work to a 15kt x-wind personal limit, but have had no problem with x-wind 15G25kt... If I think it might be 'challenging' (as this case) I prefer the grass runway.
I always remember guidance from the guy who originally did my conversion training... his point was :
1)RVs have great control authority, even at stall speed, and
2) the tail has to come down sometime...better to touch-down 3-point at minimum speed, than wheel on, only to ground-loop when the tail comes down !
Just my 2c
PS - In a strong/gusty x-wind I also tend to select half-flap ? but I think that's more habit than anything, as I cant really feel much difference in roll-response, between that & full-flap
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Old 05-12-2020, 05:10 AM
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Default Wheel landing

My RV4 seemed best when three pointing however my 8 does not seem to and I wheel land 99% of the time. In short do what the airplane feels best at. I prefer wheel landing because it gives more consistent rudder practice upon landing rollout. Agree with David Paule, my instructor always said the same thing on final, ?wake them feet up?
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