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10-15-2019, 03:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Montreal
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cleveland brake maintenance
The cleveland brakes on my airplane (other airplane - RV not done yet) are 50 yrs old. There seems to be a lot of play between the 2 pins that the calipers slide on (called anchor bolts) and the bushings that they run in on the torque plate. Does anyone know what sort of tolerances are allowed before replacement is required? I have some evidence that these are jamming in the bushings. They say that you can't buy bushings for the torque plate, you have to buy a new plate for $500CDN. Yes, five hundred, not a typo. When I regained consciousness... Anyway I would like to know if I need to replace that or not, or the anchor bolts. I downloaded a maintenance manual from Cleveland but it did not provide that specific info. Any suggestions?
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10-15-2019, 05:04 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
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Brakes
I don't have an answer as far as tolerance. If you feel the brakes are dragging polish the pins with some fine emery and then apply some dry lube.
If you still have concerns you might consider reaming the bushings enough to allow a custom made sleeve to be pressed in place. The sleeve could be a bushing made from 4130 tubing and would only need to be approximately .035 wall thickness, maybe a bit less.
Another option would be to check Grove price for the plates or even a salvage yard.
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10-16-2019, 08:27 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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The cleveland document says that the torque plates (at least on some of their brake assemblies) are castings and the bushings are integral and can't be replaced. If I had more info I could machine bushings and press them in. I am fully equipped for that. But I don't want to proceed without knowing exactly what the fits should be. I don't want to have a brake lock up and ground loop because I got it wrong. But paying $500 for a small casting just seems like a total ripoff.
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10-16-2019, 02:35 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
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Plate
My Cleveland 500 x 5 appear to be all steel with the bushings brazed or silver soldered to the flat plate.
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10-16-2019, 02:54 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Frederick, MD
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Here is a link to the manual. https://www.parker.com/literature/Ai...CMM0001-12.pdf
They just say, if holes excessively elongated. The eyeball test.
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10-16-2019, 04:45 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: SE Florida
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Scott, I just checked my unused Cleveland calipers. The PIN to bushing clearances vary between 001" to .0025" clearance.
Charlie
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10-16-2019, 07:38 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
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Thank you Charlie
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10-17-2019, 05:44 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Clarksboro, NJ
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If this is a certified airplane you can not re-bush the piece. You can make a brand new piece from scratch if you do it yourself, but you can not re-bush if the OEM does not approve of that.
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10-17-2019, 08:42 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mount Vernon, IN
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I have ONE Cleveland torque plate in my shop somewhere. How I ended up with one is anybody's guess.
Nonetheless, I'd be happy to sell it to anyone who needs it. How's $50 plus $10 for Priority Mail sound?
The OP gets first shot at it, since he's the one with the possible problem.
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