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01-03-2019, 01:24 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
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Originally Posted by rocketman1988
I hope you don’t get nervous flying the airlines...nearly every one of them use iPads for their IFR maps and charts...
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Yes they do, but they are also required to have backups for their backups.
Also, their PFD's are not iPads.
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RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
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01-03-2019, 01:36 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 288
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I'm not an Apple fanboy and hate that I have to use an iPad Mini 4 for my FlyQ. Still, I've never experienced a lockup on any of the three iPads I've used while flying. My iPad 3 did overheat once just after I assured Seattle center that I had on board moving map and could thread the upcoming TFRs...
For a VFR only machine I think this is great. I considered homebrewing my EFISs but a need for IFR shot that down, I wouldn't want to have to rely on an iPad to keep me alive.
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01-03-2019, 01:45 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,346
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I would not put a master next to the flaps switch! (or anything else likely to be touched in flight).
As mentioned, consider putting the flaps and boost pump switches near your throttle. My flap switch is "thumbable" with my hand on the throttle. Very handy and natural.
As for radios, remember when fiddling with them you will roll off course in the time it takes to look at them. Just ask my wingmen... The higher the better, IMO.
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Venice, FL
RV-6A. Mattituck TMX O-360, FP, GRT Sport EFIS, L3 Lynx NGT-9000
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01-03-2019, 02:24 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 387
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I don't know about the -6 panel, but on my 9 the angle aluminum around the back perimeter of the panel made it difficult to get as close to the edge as you appear to get in your diagram. You might need to stay 3/4" away from the edges. Your panel seems tall too, I think the drawing I used included the band on the bottom that was actually folded over. No idea if that's the same on your panel.
The other thing that I see that I wouldn't do is put the flap switch next to the master switch. Too much risk of hitting the wrong switch. I know I like the flaps next to the boost pump as they commonly flow together. Overall, your switch order might be worth reviewing with an eye on in flight usage patterns. The boost pump in the middle of your masters is another example.
The panel design philosophy that I used was that my switch placement should support the ability to find the correct switch with my eyes closed every time. I used toggle switches for that reason and they are organized in separate groups, masters on the left, lights in the middle and in flight switches (pump, flaps) on the right. An example of how this works in flight from a night flight last night - I was able to turn on my landing light quickly and easily because it's the 3rd switch from the left in my light bank. I can't read the switch labels in the dark, so that's the only way I can operate at night.
Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth.
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01-03-2019, 02:33 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Cupertino, California
Posts: 109
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Cleaned up and with switches in order...
Here's a revision with the switches put in a better (I think) order. The flap switch is now well away from the rest of the switches, but easily in reach. I probably could be talked into replacing it with a traditional flap switch (with the wedge handle) located just below the AP, as that would be reachable by thumb with my hand on the throttle.
I'm still using the bulky auto-style rocker switches as I don't have a model for a locking toggle yet. I may also try a version with standard toggles with the guards between them. The current panel has standard toggles and I've never inadvertently switched anything off, but better safe than sorry...
Full sized image here.
Full size panel only view (no instruments).

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01-03-2019, 02:44 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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Umm...
"...Yes they do, but they are also required to have backups for their backups.
Also, their PFD's are not iPads..."
Umm, this is something I know a little about:
1. There are typically two iPads.
2. The paper backups are for offline alternates.
3. There is typically NO chart display capability on the PFDs in the majority of the aircraft.
The iPads have proven to very reliable, and they work well. They have been proven over many years and hundreds of thousand flight hours. That's good enough for me...
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Aerospace Engineer '88
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01-03-2019, 02:49 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Cupertino, California
Posts: 109
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Independent breaker panel?
One thing that drives me a bit nuts about the current configuration of the airplane is the fact that the breakers are screwed directly into the panel. If I want to remove the panel I have to unscrew all 18 breakers, then hassle with getting them re-aligned in the right order when I put things back together.
Any thoughts on using a separate piece of aluminum to mount the breakers, allowing me to simply unscrew the breaker panel and leave it in place if / when I remove the rest of the instrument panel? Something like:

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01-03-2019, 03:14 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sunman, IN
Posts: 2,189
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c/b
That is what I am doing in my -10. For the few c/bs that I will have, there will be an aluminum plate drilled with clearance holes for the breakers...the plate will then be fastened to the panel. That will make changes relatively easy...
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Bob
Aerospace Engineer '88
RV-10
Structure - 90% Done
Cabin Top - Aaarrghhh...
EFII System 32 - Done
297 HP Barrett Hung
ShowPlanes Cowl with Skybolts Fitted - Beautiful
Wiring...
Dues+ Paid 2019,...Thanks DR+
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01-03-2019, 03:25 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Menomonee Falls, WI
Posts: 145
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Use Fuses
Use far more fuses. The ONLY thing I used circuit breakers for is anything related to keeping the engine turning.
Also, I used the Carling switches custom engraved by rockerswitchpros and LOVE them.

Last edited by upperdeck : 01-03-2019 at 03:28 PM.
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01-03-2019, 03:38 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 153
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Steve,
I REALLY like where you are headed with this.
My input (FWIW):
- Move of the radios to the center a big plus. I would also move them ABOVE
the central iPad. Mounted low is more head down time and you will need to
adjust them regularly. Also might reduce washout/glare on that iPad. Maybe
not possible due to depth/tip up hinges??
- I agree with the comments on switches. Strongly suggest locking toggles (vs
rockers) and do consider workflow in the relative placements.
- I would put power (USB) and headset (why aren?t you using Bluetooth??) out
of sight below the panel. Headsets even on the seat bulkhead behind you.
BTW: what are your plans for engine monitoring ? is that on the iPads too? I have always wondered why this (wireless tablet display and logging of engine data) isn?t a product yet...
My comments above in the context of fair weather day VFR use case.
Peter
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssokol
Here's a revision with the switches put in a better (I think) order. The flap switch is now well away from the rest of the switches, but easily in reach. I probably could be talked into replacing it with a traditional flap switch (with the wedge handle) located just below the AP, as that would be reachable by thumb with my hand on the throttle.
I'm still using the bulky auto-style rocker switches as I don't have a model for a locking toggle yet. I may also try a version with standard toggles with the guards between them. The current panel has standard toggles and I've never inadvertently switched anything off, but better safe than sorry...
Full sized image here.
Full size panel only view (no instruments).

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