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05-25-2005, 06:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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Great Philosophy
Great idea! The only problem is that we have to find a supplier who is willing to enter into such a contract. Military contracts are a whole other world. Really big bucks, cost over-runs, design changes, give what they order the first time and then give them what they need on the second contract, etc. No disrespect intended but I don't think it is an apples to apples to comparison. Besides they would just jack up the prices to cover any potential rebates. They know what they want to make on each unit and no matter how you package it, they are going to price it accordingly.
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05-25-2005, 06:58 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by Tom Maxwell
Be careful or carry a big lawyer.
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Unless they moved the borders without telling me, it's still America. If the guy wants to vent, let him vent. Truth is considered a perfect defense in any libel action, so the lawyers can't say squat about it. So far all he's said is that they told him over and over that his item would ship, and it never did. Your point about difficulties with a new startup are valid, but in this particular case the delays have been WAY out of line. I'd agree that any educational element disappeared long ago, but I still feel the guy's pain.
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05-25-2005, 10:42 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: PA
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Originally Posted by Tom Maxwell
Startup companies like these ....are started by someone, typically technical, and then they rapidly outgrow themselves. Marketing, distribution, and delivery issues are really not uncommon.
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amen, brother. it's interesting to watch the 3 companies (Dynon, GRT & BM). they all are very similar (started by techs around the same time; similar product, same market)...yet the trends are already quite clear.
law of averages says one will dominate, one will be a niche player and one won't survive
if Chelton drops price to $6500 or Garmin decides to play, one of these companies could disappear overnight.
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05-26-2005, 10:50 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mansfield TX
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Originally Posted by Bob Collins
Walter:
Tell us more. Why did you choose Grand Rapids. What's the price? What cool features led to your decision etc.
You're right. I haven't heard anything bad about them and, speaking for me, they'd be in the mix.
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Where to start.
Sunlight Readable - I had the units in the bright midday sun last weekend and you can read the displays very very well. Plus the screens are considerably larger than the Dynon.
Interdisplay Communication - Change the barometric pressure, heading, display brightness or a whole host of other items and the other displays show the changes immediately.
Ability to Split screen any combination of Attitude indicator, Nav screen, and Engine monitor. This is very handy if you have two displays and one goes TU.
Seamless integration of graphical and digital Engine monitoring via their proven EIS4000 product.
Ease of integration with today's most popular avionics: Garmin 430, 480, 330, 327, SL30, Trutrak AP. Sure is nice to display traffic information on screen...
Easy software updates, just plug in the USB flashdrive.
Flight recorder with the ability to playback your flight and see all parameters.
Great customer service and they don't promise what they can't deliver. The product continues to be enhanced and all those enhancements are free.
Plus, I still have not heard of a single valid complaint about this product.
Now I'm not saying that the other EFIS choices are better or worse because I don't have those units in front of me to compare. But I'm pretty pleased at what I do have sitting in front of me. I've flown with Dan and he has the Dynon. My opinion of this unit is that it's too small to be used for IFR. It's a bit difficult to read. I've met with the fine folks at BMA twice at Oshkosh. I was not impressed with either the displays or their people, and that is definitely a personal opinion.
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05-26-2005, 02:24 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 191
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Now that the prosecution rests, my closing arguments.
Closing arguments in military bullet statement style:
---BM had my 1550 bucks for almost a half a yaer with no interest or product.
---Lies,lies,lies..yada yada, many other deliveries were made to others way AFTER I put in my money. Great business practices huh? Some will argue that (BM included) those who put down 100% get delivered first. Well then, why did Sheila tell me that 100% was not necissary when I offered it during my first phone call to her when I ordered the unit?
---This is my thread and I can whine if I want to.
---I (unlike BM) have told only the truth to the best of my recollection.
---First ammendment applies and nobody can be sued for telling the truth, well ....not yet at least.
---My panel is now bare, since all of my instruments have been sold and the buyers want their product. I do not want to be another BM and not deliver a product that was promised.
---My plane is grounded (possible rights violation? haha Comments anyone? haha ) Remember the promise made to me right after Sun N Fun? I planned on that and now do not have a plane to fly until I figure out AND GET my next flight instruments(airspeed, Alti, etc...)
---I have the GRT 4000 monitor as a side note and LOVE that company and personell, they have gone way above and beyond and Greg is awsome! I just wish their glass was cheaper.
---IMHO, if anyone reading the above comments, both mine and others,and sends $1500 or more for the hope of receiving an awsome glass panel setup, well, they are more irrational and immature than I am being accused of.
Glen
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06-02-2005, 09:38 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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[quote=Tom Maxwell]As I said before, start up and delivery issues for new products, especially good ones is not unusual, especially in an infant and relatively small industry such as glass cockpits. Startup companies like these often go through growing pains. They are started by someone, typically technical, and then they rapidly outgrow themselves. Marketing, distribution, and delivery issues are really not uncommon. It doesn't make the pain any easier and I am not making excuses for poor customer service but issues do occur. I am sorry for you and for your situation. Perhaps a more established company such as Chilton can deliver more quickly. QUOTE]
Maybe you should rephrase that as a more ethical company such as Chelton seeing how Chelton is barely older than BMA. The startup company stuff doesn't fly as they have been around for at least 5 years and have a fair amount of experience in the industry. Scary thing is they have been at the fore front of the experimental side. Glad to see companies like Dynon, GRT, and even Chelton are cleaning things up a bit. And as far as it being a new product, hardly. As they love pointing out this is the third generation of the technology. Only thing different is the packaging. Let's face facts, they are probably floating orders to help fund the company. It's not illegal but not very nice either. My advice is to speak with your checkbooks.
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06-02-2005, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Albany, GA for the moment
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Chelton = BMA???
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Originally Posted by Dave Johnson
Maybe you should rephrase that as a more ethical company such as Chelton seeing how Chelton is barely older than BMA.
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Originally Posted by Chelton's website:
Chelton Flight Systems is part of the Chelton Group, a US subsidiary of Cobham plc, a publicly traded $2 billion international aerospace, flight operations, precision engineering and avionics company based in the UK.
For more than fifty years, Chelton has been a respected name in the aerospace industry. The products of our manufacturing companies have become known throughout the world for their quality and reliability on military, commercial and general aviation aircraft. Worldwide, there are more than thirty aerospace companies in the Chelton Group, with nearly a dozen in North America.
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I don't see how 50 years is "barely older" than 5 years. And BMA is definitely not a publicly traded $2 billion operation like Chelton. So I really don't understand how you can compare them.
PJ
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06-02-2005, 10:57 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Chelton is barely older than BMA
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Chelton is part of a large UK company with a long history in avionics.
Dave's point is still valid. Dynon, GRT and BMA are all virtually the same size and same age. Even so, this horse race is already over unless something changes drastically.
Being long involved in tech startups, the signs of success and failure are like beacons in the fog and they are very reliable. I can't predict which one will be the dominant player but I can guarantee which one of these companies will not survive as is.
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06-02-2005, 11:20 AM
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Dynon vs GRT vs BMA vs ???
Well, I for one am watching this horse race with great interest. I figure I'm at least 3 years from buying my avionics, and I plan to put it off as long as possible, so it will be interesting to see what the avionics landscape looks like in June 2008.
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06-02-2005, 02:07 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Wasn't always Chelton
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Originally Posted by PJSeipel
I don't see how 50 years is "barely older" than 5 years. And BMA is definitely not a publicly traded $2 billion operation like Chelton. So I really don't understand how you can compare them.
PJ
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Should have clarified that. I was refering to the original company that developed the EFIS and was baught by Chelton a couple years back. My mistake.
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