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Old 05-24-2005, 01:49 PM
svanarts svanarts is offline
 
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Default $$$

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Tell us more. Why did you choose Grand Rapids. What's the price? What cool features led to your decision etc.

You're right. I haven't heard anything bad about them and, speaking for me, they'd be in the mix.
$5995 from their website. They do have a lot of cool features. I just can't afford that.
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Old 05-24-2005, 01:55 PM
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$5995 from their website. They do have a lot of cool features. I just can't afford that.
They have a Sport model coming out (should be about now) for $2795. Not much more than a Dynon but has a 7" display.

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Old 05-24-2005, 02:43 PM
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Dynon Rocks! I ordered a D10 & D10A pkg on 4/18. It came in today 5/24.
I now have all my instruments except radio & transponder. I can start cutting holes!

Derrell
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Old 05-24-2005, 07:55 PM
glenmthompson glenmthompson is offline
 
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Default Last message from BM's Sheila

Glen, since I don't work on Saturday or Sunday, I just got you email
this
morning (Monday, May 23rd 9:30 AM). I am sorry for the delay in
getting
your unit out to you but it is hard to adjust shipping when commitments
were made during my absence. We will send a refund check to you today.

Shelia

Received the above from Sheila. Now lemme see, it took almost 6 months of promises to get this far, soooo, I'll have my check, when, maybe by Christmas I guess. Gawd I hope I do not have to call my attorny.
Any ideas out there about maybe them owing me interest? What says you all?
Glen
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Old 05-24-2005, 08:11 PM
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I say, good luck and tell me how it goes!

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Old 05-24-2005, 08:15 PM
glenmthompson glenmthompson is offline
 
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Exclamation Sorry for the whining guys, but here is how I feel (venting)

Just sent to BM in a moment of severe frustration..I know, I know, spare me the flaming, just take heed if you want to throw money at BM. ( Oh BTW, the Efis one att. ind.is not fluid at all as compared to say,.... ALL OTHERS! .. Steps pretty good when the grahiics are loaded up, ie, terrain, hsi ..etc...

Sheila....

No promises were made Sheila in your absence. I
just decided that exactly 5 months after my deposit (3
months late on delivery) was sent, I have no unit,
others were receiving units ordered after me, you
personally promised me and wrote down my name as I
watched you deliver a unit to a customer...Then said
for SURE my unit was to go out "next week",(after Sun
N Fun). Then...
I had to write twice and call 3 times to get simple
wireing questions answered re. my friend's $19,000
Efis 1(Plans were very inconclusive in this area, and
non existant concerning the $1500 wireing harnesses
provided by BM ).
Oh, did I fail to mention how you (Blue Mountain)
were and still are 3 weeks late delivering Jim's
autopilot cables(re. above Efis 1) and holding up our
wing installation?

All said, sorry girl, I have had enough. Can you
blame me and the MANY others who have done this? I
can only hope the check you have promised is to be
deliverd by somebody other that who delivers the units
to your customers.
PS, I am CC to the Vans Airforce Glass Cockpit
forum section. Just my little whining has at last
count, 5 soon to be BM buyers to go elsewhere. Come
on, talk to your owner and either tell the real story
or shut down operations until you can deliver. BM's
reputation prepurchase-wise any way,is quickly heading down the toilet.
Glen

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Old 05-24-2005, 08:45 PM
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Default Vendor Bashing

Ok, I think everyone knows how you feel about BM. It is great that you are getting your money back.

Just my opinion, but you seem really bitter and vindictive and I think you are above that. I understand your disappointment and anger, but to carry on and on in a public forum is, in my opinion, not cool and not flattering to you.

From what I have read, seen, and heard, BM has a good product and it appears to be pretty hot. They wouldn't be the first vendor to have start up issues and delivery issues on a good product. Better to be hot and slow on delivery than to have the units setting around for next day delivery due to issues. Be grateful you haven't put a big deposit on a turbine or diesel.

Good luck to you, I hope it all works out. I hope you will consider letting this one settle.

Take care!
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Old 05-25-2005, 05:36 PM
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Default Flattering myself...haha

Yep, well I lost the worry about flattering myself and educating the buying public umteen promises ago. Ya know it really is not so much that I have to wait, ****, that is not a problem for me. Lies, and other individuals taking delivery BEFOR ME IS a problem for me. You guys should see some of the BM hate PM's I am getting. Wow, I sure am not alone.
I am merely trying (rather vocally and emotionally granted), to excercise my first ammendment right and allowing capitolism to take it's course.
Also, I am not holding me breath waiting for the check either. Why would this promise be kept and all others disregarded? We'll see.

Glen

PS, Vindictive is a pretty strong word, I prefer to say educating the public. Sueing them if I do not get a refund this week, now THAT is vindictive....HHHmm, not a bad idea!




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Originally Posted by Tom Maxwell
Ok, I think everyone knows how you feel about BM. It is great that you are getting your money back.

Just my opinion, but you seem really bitter and vindictive and I think you are above that. I understand your disappointment and anger, but to carry on and on in a public forum is, in my opinion, not cool and not flattering to you.

From what I have read, seen, and heard, BM has a good product and it appears to be pretty hot. They wouldn't be the first vendor to have start up issues and delivery issues on a good product. Better to be hot and slow on delivery than to have the units setting around for next day delivery due to issues. Be grateful you haven't put a big deposit on a turbine or diesel.

Good luck to you, I hope it all works out. I hope you will consider letting this one settle.

Take care!
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Old 05-25-2005, 05:57 PM
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I have a friend who must be sailing around the world as he said he would, I can't get a hold of him.

He was an exec. vice pres. or exec head of some dept.-- Northrup FA-18.

I remember one time moaning about vendors not supplying on time and he said, "Why don't you put it in your contract, (like we do ) where if it's not delivered within a certain period it's discounted 10 percent, and if it's not delivered by the such and such it's discounted again and if it's...."

oh brother, thanks Nick.

We'd all have FREE AIRCRAFT with a few bits and pieces that made it on time.
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Old 05-25-2005, 06:30 PM
Tom Maxwell Tom Maxwell is offline
 
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Default Hmmmm

Stating the issue and your opinion once might be considered educating the public. But continued post after post with all the detail of your emails goes beyond educating. In my opinion it actually weakens your position.

I think if you examine your motives you will find that your intent has gone past the point of educating. It has reached the point of vendor bashing. Be careful or carry a big lawyer.

I think everyone has gotten your point. You don't like BM and do not recommend them to anyone and there are others that support your position. On the other hand, I am willing to bet good money that BM can line up an equal number of more customers who like the product and would vouch for BM.

As I said before, start up and delivery issues for new products, especially good ones is not unusual, especially in an infant and relatively small industry such as glass cockpits. Startup companies like these often go through growing pains. They are started by someone, typically technical, and then they rapidly outgrow themselves. Marketing, distribution, and delivery issues are really not uncommon. It doesn't make the pain any easier and I am not making excuses for poor customer service but issues do occur. I am sorry for you and for your situation. Perhaps a more established company such as Chilton can deliver more quickly. Put then I think the Chilton systems are about twice the price as the BM. Whichever way you go, I wish you all the best and hope your experience with your next vendor is a better one.


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