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06-17-2018, 11:03 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Goodyear, Arizona
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Low manifold pressure on takeoff?
I just did a takeoff where the engine only made about 15 inches MAP at full throttle, mixture full rich, 950 ft pressure altitude. The engine sounded the same, felt like it was making full power, and takeoff distance was normal. Fuel flow on takeoff was redlined, as expected.
The MAP slowly crept up to 20 inches while flying close to the airport at 3,000 MSL, full throttle. It never went above 20 inches though.
I tried unsuccessfully to Google this, search John Deakin's old articles, reading through my "Fly the Engine" book, etc. and am not finding anything. It seems the main discussion in other threads and articles is instead on high MAP. Does anyone have an idea what might be causing my low MAP on takeoff? I think I've ruled out a bad MAP sensor as I'm getting normal indications on the ground with the engine stopped.
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Last edited by Gash : 06-17-2018 at 11:10 AM.
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06-17-2018, 12:55 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
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Clean the line
Have you ever cleaned the line between the sensor and the cylinder? They can get clogged over time. I clean mine out every year.
Vic
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06-17-2018, 01:00 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Schaumburg, IL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vic syracuse
Have you ever cleaned the line between the sensor and the cylinder? They can get clogged over time. I clean mine out every year.
Vic
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+1
You would notice a difference in power and fuel flow if your were actually pulling that much vacuum compared to WOT and 29"
Larry
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06-17-2018, 03:46 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Goodyear, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vic syracuse
Have you ever cleaned the line between the sensor and the cylinder? They can get clogged over time. I clean mine out every year.
Vic
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Thanks Vic. I'll go take a look at it. What do you use to clean out the line? I would probably use 100LL unless there's a more elegant solution.
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RV-14A, Flying
Extra 330LX, Flying
RV-8, Sold
RV-7, Sold
Bearhawk 4-Place, Sold
=VAF= donor 2020
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06-17-2018, 04:12 PM
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Solvent
I use Brake Clean or any other solvent.
Vic
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Built RV-4, RV-6, 2-RV-10's, RV-7A, RV-8, Prescott Pusher, Kitfox Model II, Kitfox Speedster, Kitfox 7 Super Sport, Just Superstol, DAR, A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor/Flight Advisor, CFII-ASMEL/ASES
Kitplanes "Unairworthy" monthly feature
EAA Sport Aviation "Checkpoints" column
EAA Homebuilt Council Chair/member EAA BOD
Author "Pre-Buy Guide for Amateur-Built Aircraft"
www.Baselegaviation.com
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06-17-2018, 04:14 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: Martinsville, IN
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I just went through this myself, and the guys above are correct. My MP gauge eventually stopped altogether. Pull the fitting at your engine connection first. Mine was packed with black gunk that was as hard as concrete. I used 0.035 safety wire and a good soak in MEK. An ultrasonic cleaner might accelerate this process.
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06-17-2018, 04:16 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central IL
Posts: 5,515
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Your symptoms indicate black goo in the hose/line. 100LL works just fine.
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Lord Kelvin:
“I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about,
and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you
cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge
is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind.”
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06-17-2018, 04:33 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Goodyear, Arizona
Posts: 877
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Thanks everyone! I really appreciate it.
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RV-14A, Flying
Extra 330LX, Flying
RV-8, Sold
RV-7, Sold
Bearhawk 4-Place, Sold
=VAF= donor 2020
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