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Old 04-21-2018, 06:31 AM
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Vic,
Thanks for posting this.
I always learn something from your posts....
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This is an interesting situation. Vic should by all means be given the benefit of the doubt here. His credentials are quite impressive and He has provided a wealth of valuable information to all of us here on the forum. I find it quite remarkable that He would overlook items as basic as those "discovered" by the paint shop. He did his job and provided the owner, who was not the builder, a list of discrepancies that are the owners responsibility to correct. Since a year lapsed since the pre-buy, did anyone else work on, or fly this airplane? Were the discrepancies ever corrected and signed off? Bottom line is He performed a service that the owner requested and provided a list of discrepancies as he should have. Thats it! The owner/operater becomes the responsible party for the safe operation of the aircraft, PERIOD.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:56 AM
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Vic------Thanks for bringing some balance to this discussion.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:05 AM
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Vic,

Thank you for that detailed reply (and peak into your busy world). 20 hour day (yuck).

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Old 04-21-2018, 09:14 AM
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Default the "rest of the story" . . . .

Ahhh . . . enlightening, Vic. Thanks!!
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:27 AM
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Since the "pre-buy" on this bird was performed over a year ago, seems to me that a Condition inspection was or should have been performed since Vic accomplished the inspection. I think there is more to this story than we are being told.
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Old 04-21-2018, 11:35 AM
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I am with Scott on this one. "It sat in the shop for a month before starting". Someone started to remove the control surfaces and was called away to another job. They pushed the bolts back in to support the aileron till they could get back to it. A month goes by and someone else finds this and tells the boss..............
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I am with Scott on this one. "It sat in the shop for a month before starting". Someone started to remove the control surfaces and was called away to another job. They pushed the bolts back in to support the aileron till they could get back to it. A month goes by and someone else finds this and tells the boss..............
I think you?re spot on.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:30 PM
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Vic did my airworthy inspection on my RV 10 in February 2018. His rate for the inspection was in par with what others told me they had paid for a DAR. I did pay extra for his travel time, which you should expect to pay. There are no surprises and you know up front what it?s gonna cost you. I watched him as he did a very detailed inspection. Strictly business and he was very methodical during the inspection. I?m an OCD type individual when it comes to anything that I put my family in and fly. Having Vic do my inspection assured me that it was inspected and approved by one of the best. Can I visualize Vic missing something like that. NOPE, NO WAY! Can I see a repair shop making an error like that, yep.

A shop usually has multiple aircraft in for repair or maintenance and the work is going on simultaneously. If that maintenance shop does not have a check and verify procedure in there shop?s MOU (one mechanic does the work, another looks it over when all work is done and verifies) then there is always the potential of something like this occurring.
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Old 04-22-2018, 09:52 AM
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Time to end speculation .
The shop did not touch anything in respect to that area while removing the ailerons , the only reason they removed those panels was for an anticorrosion treatment , and thats when the discovery was made . No Nut was found inside the wing , they looked and I looked myself .
the only reason why the bolt stayed in there is because of the aileron trim , its spring loaded so there is constant pressure pushing against both ends .
Yes, the prebuy was done a year ago , and I wasn't there to watch the gentleman do his work . basically everything was done sight unseen , based on trust , reviews and recommendations . I didn't mind paying a high price as long as I was getting quality work done .
Vic gave a list of issues he found , 90% of them were fixed , except an oil leak in the engine bay and the brake pedal leak which were later fixed .
Vlad and I ferried the RV to my home airport , the flight was about 2 and a half hours , we did some light to moderate training to get familiarized with the RV9A , about 3 hours , and one flight to Martha's Vineyard , another 3 hours , it flew a total of 10 hours before the flaps failed on Vlad on landing , the airplane was sitting still since , we had another gentleman look at it , and to our surprise , he told us the aircraft is UNAIRWORTHY due to a missing structural piece , which was never mentioned in Vics report , and I stopped flying it all together ( only a month and a half after I bought it )
Vic you mentioned over the phone that the Bolt goes in from the bottom in the RV9 , in this case , other side of the aileron attach is done backwards , because the bolt is put up from the top . I am assuming both bolts should be in in the same orientation , whereas they are not . please correct me if I am wrong .

The hole in the rudder is a common occurrence in some RV's if the rudder isn't properly secured with a gust lock .

At the end of the day , I am happy this did not turn into disaster ,
I agree very much with @rmarshall234 , a prebuy is not the same thing as a condition inspection , I would urge anyone who plans on buying any RV to get a condition inspection right after the prebuy , which I regret not doing .
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