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Old 02-24-2018, 12:17 AM
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Gil good idea on the annunciators. You will be able to easily work the GTN but you will not be able to readily see the annunciation on the radio because it will be too far from your scan. You do need to add two momentary contact switches to your annunciator panel for the susp / one and nav/ gps functions. Don't forget the toga button. On the sticks a good place for that if able. That works really well when you get it set up.
I was planning on a GTN-625 GPS only unit and went by this from the IM -

The external GPS Navigation annunciator unit must contain, at a minimum, the following annunciations:
• INTEG, INTG or LOI
• TERM
• APR
• MSG
• WPT


Are the switch inputs you mention only used if you have a VOR/GPS unit?

PS The reason for getting this sorted out now is to get my fuselage wiring completed. Jesse's good idea of moving the knob panel to the armrest just added another 9 wire Skyview network cable into the mix instead of it being a short, behind-the-panel cable.
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Old 02-24-2018, 06:01 AM
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They will be used to switch from for/ ILS to gps mode after a missed approach as well as to either suspend hold navigation or continue navigation on exiting a hold. It is very convenient to have them right in front of you and by the autopilot controls otherwise you have to look over to the radio and find the button to push to execute.
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Old 02-24-2018, 07:55 AM
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Consider not mounting the two EFIS displays side by side.

In my RV-10 the GTN-650 and audio panel are between the two displays. The GTN-650 display is marginal at best - having it mounted over in right field makes it even less useful.

My thoughts:
- The EFIS displays should be as high on the panel as possible.
- The left display is biased left, the center space for the GTN-650 is as narrow as possible and as high as possible but below the center support bracket.
- The right display is then just to the right of the GTN-650.

This leaves room for at least two Dynon modules (radio, knob panel or Autopilot panel) to the left of the left display, making good use of that space.

There is room above the GTN-650 for an analog airspeed and/or altimeter. I had both in the panel but the next plane will have just the analog airspeed.

The right display is perfectly fine for the pilot to see. I normally keep the engine monitor on that and the moving map set a a longer range than the moving map on the pilot side. Flying right seat is not much different than flying left seat.

Note, panel photo was taken before adding the Dynon Knob module horizontally below the Dynon radio module.

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Old 02-24-2018, 11:54 AM
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You say you are planning to use an Aerosport Products panel, but your layout appears to be on the stock Van's panel. Suggest you do the layout on the Aerosport panel you are planning to use, as some of the panel space is unavailable for the avionics due to the non-flat panel.

I don't have experience with the Dynon/AFS hardware, but in the layout of my Garmin G3X system (granted I included 3 of the 10" EFIS units) I found that I couldn't fit the EFIS and a G5 beside or above the EFIS with the Aerosport 310 panel. So I have placed the G5 in its own box above the glare shield in order to get everything to fit.

If you intend to work with a panel shop such as Aerotronics or Stein, suggest you talk to them early and have them do a preliminary layout in CADD with the specific Aerosport panel you intend to use. They can generally do this quickly as they have past designs with the Aerosport panels and most common avionics and so can quickly do an accurate scale layout.

Enjoy the panel layout exercise. It is an area of the design that you can make very personal.
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Old 02-24-2018, 01:45 PM
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You say you are planning to use an Aerosport Products panel, but your layout appears to be on the stock Van's panel. Suggest you do the layout on the Aerosport panel you are planning to use, as some of the panel space is unavailable for the avionics due to the non-flat panel.

I don't have experience with the Dynon/AFS hardware, but in the layout of my Garmin G3X system (granted I included 3 of the 10" EFIS units) I found that I couldn't fit the EFIS and a G5 beside or above the EFIS with the Aerosport 310 panel. So I have placed the G5 in its own box above the glare shield in order to get everything to fit.

If you intend to work with a panel shop such as Aerotronics or Stein, suggest you talk to them early and have them do a preliminary layout in CADD with the specific Aerosport panel you intend to use. They can generally do this quickly as they have past designs with the Aerosport panels and most common avionics and so can quickly do an accurate scale layout.

Enjoy the panel layout exercise. It is an area of the design that you can make very personal.
My pictures were made in TurboCAD with the panel dimensions directly from the Aerosport Dual 10" EFIS DXF file. They are accurate. I will create the panel just like I did for my RV-6A. When the layout is fixed I'll replace the pretty pictures with all of the cutouts, strange holes and associated nut plate holes in TurboCAD and have the panel cut by Up North Aviation.

You may be thinking that the picture from Carl F. was mine, and it does appear he has a stock panel. Go to post #9 for my plan for the Aerosport left side dual 10" EFIS panel.

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This is the planned avionics stack shown in the angled center portion of the Aerosport Dual 10" EFIS panel. Note that the picture is of a GTN-650 but I am planning a GTN-625 GPS only - same box and screen size.

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Sorry. I see now that what you are showing is the panel insert that goes into the Aerosport carbon fiber panel. Since I've been focused on the Aerosport 310 panel which has 3 more symmetrical inserts I forgot they have one with such a large insert, so it looked like a portion of the standard Van's panel to me. My mistake.
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Old 02-24-2018, 02:36 PM
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Sorry. I see now that what you are showing is the panel insert that goes into the Aerosport carbon fiber panel. Since I've been focused on the Aerosport 310 panel which has 3 more symmetrical inserts I forgot they have one with such a large insert, so it looked like a portion of the standard Van's panel to me. My mistake.
No problem... at least someone is looking...
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:06 AM
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Part of the need for panel component layout is to determine where all of the wire ends I have installed will ultimately meet a connector at the panel or sub-panel.

Here is my first cut at a mock-up -



A lot more room than the -6A and the foam VPX box is currently being replaced by Stein with a nice shiny red one.

Next plan is to properly mount the Aerosport panel, transfer the foam board component cutouts to the real subpanel and determine the subpanel hole needed for the GTN unit.

It seems that general RV-10 builder opinion is to have as much of this area completed as possible before moving onto adding the cabin top.
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Old 02-26-2018, 12:28 AM
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Now progressed to foam cutouts on the real sub-panel with the Aerosport panel frame in place. ARINC box on the far right out of the pic -



Panel components depth check next and sub-panel cutout for the GTN unit.

The two black parts are ExpressPCB custom "cable hubs". I'll share more details when they are completed -

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