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Old 03-04-2007, 11:46 AM
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Default Broken tap in tie down hole

Help! I just broke my tap in the tie down hole (QB wings). I tried drilling out the broken piece (so I could use an extractor) but the steel is so hard that my drill bits just do not penetrate. What the trick? Hopefully there is one.

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Old 03-04-2007, 11:50 AM
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How flat is the end of the break? Maybe one of those "screw out" tools for stripped screw heads ... although they might not bite in the hard steel either.

You could remove the tiedown and flip it over ... not sure how the bolt holes would line up then...

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Old 03-04-2007, 12:11 PM
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the way the tap broke is as jagged as can be! because the wings are QB they are essentially finished so taking out this piece will be a real nightmare. I was hoping someone would know of some kind of drill bit or technique that will allow me to drill it out.

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Old 03-04-2007, 12:14 PM
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You may need to find someone with a portable EDM machine. I used to work in a machine shop. We did lots of threading and broke a few taps. EDM will disolve the tap without damaging the work piece. When tapping aluminum, be sure the tap is sharp. I use plenty of WD-40 for lubricant and back the tap often to clean chips from the thread being made. If the tap tries to bind in the hole do not try to force it.
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:01 PM
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Any chance of getting a pair of needle nose pliers in there to grab the "web" of the tap?

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Old 03-04-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Easy!

Step #1: STOP trying to drill it out. There is no way you're ever going to drill into the tap. I know someone will chime in and say they've done it and it's no big deal but ignore them....give it up

Step #2: Go to your local machine shop, ebay or wherever, beg, borrow, buy, steal a tap extractor. These are designed to fit into the flutes of the tap and will allow you to remove it NO PROBLEM

Step #3: Follow the instructions and be more careful next time
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:57 PM
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Would it be possible to drill out the entire bracket and replace? Just a thought.
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Old 03-04-2007, 02:16 PM
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That happened to me, too. Just bite the bullet and pull the tank off and replace the tie down. Removing the tank is really no big deal.

Next time be sure to drill the hole out with the proper size drill and tap using an approve AL tapping oil. Don't risk any more damage by trying to "dig" the old one out. Chances are the hole will be buggered up and won't tap properly, anyway.

Tap your new one before installing so you get the feel of tapping it. That way you won't wreck the other one.

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Old 03-04-2007, 02:47 PM
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Here is a tap extractor in 1/4". They sell 3/8" ones as well, but they don't have a pic for it.

http://www.toolsource.com/ost/produc...BV0MSPVBUJ9DC7

I have used them before with success. Give it a try.

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Old 03-04-2007, 03:58 PM
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Tap extractor, tap extrator, tap extractor - easy fix. When you begin re-tapping use plenty of lube. Also, don't go more than 1/2 turn before you back up and clear the threads. Aluminum strain hardens very quickly when it is worked. When you try to tap without backing up and clearing, you're packing very hard material all along the cutting surface.
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