Overtaking by 80 knots please slow down

[Snowflake]

What burns my tailfeathers the most is when the tower asks you to keep the speed up so they can fit you in ahead of something, and then when they clear you to land and you slow down at the last minute, they say "oh, it's not going to work out, pull up and go around" so the commercial traffic can stay on schedule. Thanks, I really wanted to burn more gas getting into the circuit, and more again flying an additional full circuit so I can land.

[Snowflake]

Originally Posted by dtw_rv6

Kinda makes me wonder if "unable" would be the appropriate response.

Kinda makes me wonder that too, when i'm sitting in an armchair and have time to think about it. But it's hard to break training that generally says thou shalt do what ATC tells you, when you're on short final.

[DougCronkhite]

As a former LA Center controller.. if I give you a clearance and you say unable I'll take your word for it, but you really shouldn't do it frivolously and need to be able to defend why you're unable. It's on the controller though to know the aircraft in their airspace and plan accordingly.

[snopercod]

Originally Posted by kevinsrv7.com

...It's also allot of fun when the tower asks if your a "twin"!

I haven't had that happen yet, but there was this time I was indicating 160 Kts just before entering downwind and tower asked me to slow down... https://www.dropbox.com/s/62xd678737...20120.mp4?dl=0

[moosepileit]

Approach sequence work done by the "airliner" and approach controller do not always translate well in Tower's final tweaks.

IF you can see on TIS/TCAS/ADSB-In, you'll have a better feeling for what can work and a better heads up for when it won't. It won't be a surprise nor will you have to actually see that jet behind you to know the interval shrank like a scared turtle.

"We" don't like it either, after reminding Apch and tower our min speed is 150+ after a 8 hour leg and going around for loss of separation.

[snopercod]

Oh, I found another video where I had a 70 Kt overtake on a Centurion. I really wanted to find the guy after we landed and tell him I was only teasing... Centurions are Really Slow I'm bad...

[rockwoodrv9]

A little off topic, but the other evening I was doing my last night landings at BOI. I contacted Big Sky Approach telling them what I wanted to do. I was given a heading and I was not following it close enough for ATC. Without scolding me, I was given a new heading and a few minutes later, I found I was right over KNAM - where I had taken off from! He then vectored me back to BOI and let me do the landings I needed to do. When I looked out and saw he had sent me back to the start point, it made me laugh and tell him - thanks for the instruction!

[Ralph Inkster]

Our field is controlled and has a lot of training traffic mixed in with everything up to private jet traffic. I think the controllers actually appreciate the RV traffic here because they are very capable following slow, or expedite, what ever is needed to make the circuit traffic work.
Sometimes I think they use us to break the bordom too. A couple times on slow days, unprompted, I have received "XXXX CLEARED FOR APPROACH EXERCISE, TURN CROSSWIND MID FIELD", OK, ah, advance the throttle, continue approach with an overshoot 2G pull up in front of the tower, rather aggressive climb, roll to crosswind (because have to keep it midfield). I don't even consider the extra fuel burnt when following instructions. Once on calling in on Downwind after this, the controller asked if I needed to repeat the exercise.

[n82rb]

Originally Posted by Snowflake

What burns my tailfeathers the most is when the tower asks you to keep the speed up so they can fit you in ahead of something, and then when they clear you to land and you slow down at the last minute, they say "oh, it's not going to work out, pull up and go around" so the commercial traffic can stay on schedule. Thanks, I really wanted to burn more gas getting into the circuit, and more again flying an additional full circuit so I can land.

look at the other side, if im the one behind you i will be burning over 8000 lbs/hr on the go around.

bob

[Timberwolf]

Originally Posted by n82rb

look at the other side, if im the one behind you i will be burning over 8000 lbs/hr on the go around.

bob

That isn't my fault. Airliner or GA or military are (should be) all equal. I highly doubt many controllers are out to get anyone, sometimes stuff happens.

ATC: "Airliner 123 make a left 360 for traffic separation. GA aircraft cleared to land."
Airliner: "uh ATC, that 360 will cost my company $1500 in fuel."
ATC: "Airliner make a $1500 left 360 for traffic separation."