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Old 02-19-2007, 02:01 PM
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literally hundreds of them being flown by guys and gals with less than 100 hours of flying time and some with very limited english language skills. All they want to do is pass the ride and get their wings and go back to their countries. We call the phenomena 'task saturation' and at times it is all they an do to get to and from the MOA in a satisfactory manner.
Point illustration... one of my old classmates in a -38!

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Old 02-19-2007, 02:55 PM
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How do we pilots, both civilian and military, reconcile the the dichotomy between what the miltary says at airspace hearings versus what is said at local safety presentations?

At the hearings for proposed new or enlarged MOAs the statement is made that the MOAs are "not closed to civlian traffic and are joint use areas".

Once the MOAs are in effect the safety briefers tell the civilian pilots that while "yes the areas are technically open to civilian traffic, you would be very foolish to fly through them as well as being wasteful of military resources due to disruptions of training.

I agrree that flying in MOAs can be hazardous to everyone's health but what is the practical choice given the vast areas they cover?

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Old 02-19-2007, 03:06 PM
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Very informative and helpful. I will adjust my flying with MOAs accordingly.

That video (T-38 audio) was excellent!! My uncle used to tell a story about training Norwegians in T-6's. Seems that once while approaching to land the student hadn't completed his GUMP check. The instructor started screaming GUMP, GUMP! So the student unstrapped and jumped.
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Old 02-19-2007, 07:53 PM
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Here's the video of what I saw, or what I never saw. It is very hard to see the streak in the video until it is higher in altitude, but it started at or very near the ground. The camera was already set up by being plugged into the headset jack for aux mike in and it simply needed turning on and aiming. As you can see I was just cruising along listening to my Satellite radio.

For the military guys who are used to seeing stuff like this, is this from an airplane?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtOAGB_B-w

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Old 02-19-2007, 11:02 PM
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Ever pay much attention to crossing through any of the military training routes marked on the sectionals? They dont pop out at you on the sectional as much as the MOAs, but interesting things may be present within them. My buddy witnessed two fighter jets along the training route. They were throttled way back and........escorting a cruise missle. Presumably unarmed. A real attention getter.

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Old 02-20-2007, 07:21 AM
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Bryan,

Not getting anything from your link. It goes to youtube, but shows no video, just this: This video is a duplicate of a previously uploaded video
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Old 02-20-2007, 06:48 PM
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Here's another try to the video. Sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtOAGB_B-w

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Old 02-20-2007, 07:08 PM
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Looks more like a vapor trail from a jet than a smoke trail from a missle.

I'm bring my video camera with me from now on!
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:19 PM
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Vapor Trails do not go down through the horizon to the ground like this one does. It is hard to see on the video but it sure does look like something went from the ground up. I was begining to worry that the homeland defense or the NSA or what every they are calling them self these days took your video away from you with the bad posts..
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Old 02-20-2007, 07:31 PM
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It doesn't show up on the video very well, but this appeared to start very near the ground. Again, I was at 10,500' and as you can see it goes way above that. The crazy thing was how quickly it appeared. I'm still disappointed that I missed what made the trail.
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