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Old 07-18-2017, 06:25 PM
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Post New (July 2017) Garmin ADS-B and SXM Receivers

We are pleased to announce the GDL 52/51 series of portable receivers that are capable of receiving Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) traffic and weather, as well as SiriusXM Aviation weather and audio (with subscription) for display and control on select portables and mobile devices.

The flagship GDL 52 combines all of these functions into a single device, while the GDL 51 specifically provides SiriusXM Aviation weather and audio entertainment. Both variants also provide GPS position data and back-up attitude data to compatible portable devices.

Wireless and hardwired compatibility is provided for G3X? Touch, the aera? 660 and aera 795/796 aviation portables, as well as wireless connectivity with the Garmin Pilot app, giving customers access to a full-featured suite of weather products, ADS-B traffic and more using a single device.

Each of these receivers supports 2 wired (RS-232) display connections and 2 wireless (Bluetooth) display connections for a total of 4 display devices. Music support is provided for 1 wired and 1 wireless (Bluetooth) connection.

If you already have a GDL 39 interface mount/cable for your Aera 660/795/796, you can plug it directly into the GDL 51/52 since these units use the same connector/wiring as the GDL 39 for power and data.

The GDL 51/51R are expected to be available for a street price of $649. The GDL 52/52R are expected to be available for a street price of $1,149. The GDL 52R and GDL 51/51R will be available next week through Garmin dealers at EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, Wisconsin, July 24-30, 2017. Garmin dealers will be taking orders for the portable GDL 52, which is anticipated to be available Q4 2017.

The new GDL series also include a free trial of the Garmin Pilot app. Both products are currently eligible for a SiriusXM Aviation rebate of $200 with an initial purchase of a SiriusXM Aviation weather subscription. Additionally, customers who purchase a GDL 52/52R will receive the first three-months of a free monthly subscription to the SiriusXM Pilot Preferred aviation weather package and the SiriusXM All Access audio programming package at no cost.

GDL 52 Portable ADS-B and SXM Weather/Music Receiver



The GDL 51 portable SXM receiver looks similar to the GDL 52 shown above, but without the flip-up ADS-B antenna since it is SXM Weather/Music only.



Example wiring for GDL 51/52 with Aera 660/795/796



As mentioned above, there are also remote mount versions (GDL 51R/52R). The remote mount versions are the same size and use the same mounting holes as a GDL 39R for those wishing to upgrade.




The GDL 52R can also be used to provide traffic/weather/music to any of the G3X Touch displays including the new GDU 470.



Example wiring for GDL 51R/52R with Aera 660/795/796


Example wiring for GDL 51R/52R with GDU 4XX


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Old 07-19-2017, 04:19 PM
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Just wanted to verify that the 51/52/51R/52R will not connect to a GTN series GPS and that a GTX 45R or 345 for ADS-B in and a GDL 69/69A for SXM are the correct kit.
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Old 07-19-2017, 04:45 PM
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Steve,

Can the GDL 52 built-in WAAS GPS receiver be used as a position source for an ADSB out transponder such as the Garmin GTX 335 or Garmin GTX 345?

How is the WAAS GPS receiver in the GDL 52 different then the built-in GPS/GLONASS receiver in the Aera 660?

Nice offering.

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Old 07-19-2017, 05:34 PM
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Just wanted to verify that the 51/52/51R/52R will not connect to a GTN series GPS and that a GTX 45R or 345 for ADS-B in and a GDL 69/69A for SXM are the correct kit.
Hello Jeff,

That is correct that a GTN 6XX/7XX does not interface to the new GDL 5X series.

You would need one of the certified weather receivers you mention to provide weather to a GTN.

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Old 07-19-2017, 05:42 PM
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Steve,

Can the GDL 52 built-in WAAS GPS receiver be used as a position source for an ADSB out transponder such as the Garmin GTX 335 or Garmin GTX 345?

How is the WAAS GPS receiver in the GDL 52 different then the built-in GPS/GLONASS receiver in the Aera 660?

Nice offering.

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Hello Charlie,

The WAAS GPS receiver inside the GDL 52 is not a FAR 91.227 compliant position source for a GTX 335/345.

The WAAS GPS receivers in the GDL 52 and Aera 660 are somewhat similar, but like a GDL 39, the Aera 660 provides its GPS data to the GDL 52, so the GDL 52 doesn't use that built-in receiver when connected to an Aera 660.

You will notice in the above diagrams that the GPS antenna isn't shown connected to the GDL 52R, because it uses GPS data provided by the attached GDU 4XX or Aera 660/795/796 navigator.

The GDL 52 will only use its internal WAAS GPS when a tablet/phone is all that is connected.

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Thanks Steve.

I have a Garmin GTX 345, GNS 430W, Aera 660 but no G3X. If I wanted to add SXM would the GDL51 work or is there some other solution?

Is the SXM going to find its way into the 345 at some point?
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Old 07-20-2017, 05:33 AM
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Thanks Steve.

I have a Garmin GTX 345, GNS 430W, Aera 660 but no G3X. If I wanted to add SXM would the GDL51 work or is there some other solution?

Is the SXM going to find its way into the 345 at some point?
Hello Charlie,

Yes, you could add a GDL 51 to add SXM Weather/Music to your Aera 660.

Alternately, for a few hundred dollars more, you could add a GDL 52 or GDL 52R to add both ADS-B traffic and weather and SXM weather/music to your Aera 660.

Don't forget that all GDL 51/51R/52/52R receivers are are currently eligible for a SiriusXM Aviation rebate of $200 with an initial purchase of a SiriusXM Aviation weather subscription, so that helps to reduce the up-front cost.

GDL 52R ADS-B and SXM Receiver



I added a GDL 52R to my homebuilt. With a single RS-232 connection to the Aera 660, I get everything traffic/weather/music and leave the second Aera 660 serial port open to provide navigation data to my G5.

I had a GTX 345R connected to the Aera 660 for ADS-B traffic and weather (which worked very well), but disconnected that when I installed the GDL 52R since the GDL 52R provides all of the ADS-B traffic and weather plus adds SXM Weather and Music. The Aera 660 provides music channel selection for the music wired into the GMA 245 audio panel.



I wired the music from the GDL 52R into one of the GMA 245 2 wired stereo music inputs which leaves the GMA 245 Bluetooth interface open to make phone calls or stream music from the phone.

Sorry for the long answer, but the new GDL series are so capable that it is hard to stop talking about them. I have been flying with the GDL 52R for over 6 months, and couldn't be happier.

No plans to incorporate a SXM receiver into the GTX 345.

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Old 07-28-2017, 12:02 PM
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Steve,

For me, a big benefit of having the Garmin GTX 345 Transponder is I get to use only one exterior antenna to transmit ADSB out as well as receive ADSB in. I also very much like the button-ology as its identical to the GTX 327 I replaced.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I used the GDL 52R for SXM as well as ADSB in, I would have to mount another antenna (at least 1 meter distance from my transponder antenna) to reliably receive the ADSB in signal for the GDL 52R?

Preferred Option:

If I used the GTX 345 for ADSB in for traffic/ADSB WX to my Aera 660 and used a GDL 51R for SXM WX to 660 and music, I would only require the SXM antenna? Is that correct?

How would I toggle from ADSB WX (345) and SXM WX (GDL 51R) on the Aera 660 using the above setup?

How would that wiring configuration look?

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Hello Charlie,

Yes, for a GDL 51R connected to your Aera 660, you would only require the SXM antenna since the GDL 51R would receive GPS data from the Aera 660.

From the weather page, select Menu and you may choose the weather data source for an installation with multiple weather sources. It is normally set to Auto (and prefers SXM weather when available), but you can change to FIS-B at any time.

The GDL 51R would be wired to an Aera 660 RS-232 port (by itself) and wired like shown above in the original posting. Please email us if you have additional installation questions.

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Can the GDL 51/52 (R and non-R) utilize a GA 37 combo antenna for its Sirius/XM signal? More specifically if a GNS 530W were utilizing the GPS WAAS connector on the GA 37 for its GPS signal could the GDL 51/52 (R and non-R) utilize the XM connector on the same GA 37?

I ask this because I don't see the GA 37 listed as an approved antenna in the GDL 51/52 installation manual.

My configuration would be as follows: The GNS 530W GPS antenna connector connected to the WAAS TNC on the GA 37 combo antenna. Then an aera 660 connected to the GDL 52R via USB data cable, the GDL-52R's ADS-B in antenna lead connected to a bottom-mount transponder antenna and then the GDL-52's Sirius/XM antenna lead connected to the GA 37's satellite TNC connector.

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With respect to the prior post, my preferred installation would be only one exterior antenna with the aera 660 using a GA 37C antenna mounted to the glareshield, leaving only the GNS 430W and GDL-52 in need of exterior antennas. In all cases the aera 660 would provide GPS position to the GDL-52 via usb cable.

(1) preferred: Use a GA 37 combo antenna for the 430W/GDL-52 SXM as mentioned in prior post.

(2) Use a GA 57X antenna for the GDL-52 SXM and the aera 660 GPS and then use a standard GA 35 for the 430W. Two external antennas and no glareshield GA 37C.

(3) Use a GA 35 for the GNS 430W a GA 24 MCS for the GDL-52 SXM and a GA 37C for the aera 660.

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