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06-08-2017, 05:37 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Europe
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Originally Posted by WVM
It al depends of the country.
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Very true. I flew to the Netherlands last year and D*** 40? for a grass strip in the middle of nowhere. No wonder there are so many PH- registered planes right across the border on the German side. I hope locals pay less...
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06-08-2017, 06:59 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Savannah, GA
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Originally Posted by RV7ForMe
Very true. I flew to the Netherlands last year and D*** 40? for a grass strip in the middle of nowhere. No wonder there are so many PH- registered planes right across the border on the German side. I hope locals pay less...
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GA costs in the Netherlands appear to be jaw-dropping:
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/fo...l=1#post385220
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06-08-2017, 05:49 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Zurich, Switzerland
Posts: 466
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in terms of the user fee disussions, i can assure you that even though they can be high in some places (mainly in the form of landing fees), it's in my experience not what breaks the bank...
the fuel cost and therefore also the rental cost (practically all aircraft rent "wet") combined with high fixed costs for annual maintenance, hangar space and insurance plus VAT on everything up to 20% in a lot of countries is what makes up the bigger portion of the costs and GA very expensive.
that's why in some countries mostly the ULM segment seems to thrive.
to me, the biggest hassle about the user fees is having to shut down, get out, pay in one form or another, get back in, restart etc... the time lost, hassle and different procedure everywhere is what is most annoying in my opinion. also, the fact that every landing counts (even missed approaches) is not exactly beneficial to safety/currency/training skills. often this is tried to be offset with special rates for school flights or "pay 1, get all day free" type setups at some fields.
some more recent "harassment" methods against GA have shown up, especially on larger/busier airports. procedures e.g. to require "mandatory handling", which you then must purchase from a choice of companies for essentially no service (other than maybe some security "escort" from/to the airplane), exorbitantly high parking fees if staying for longer than 2 hrs/overnight or a non-monetary one: requiring special permission / passing of online CBTs or even worse flight instructor introductory flights/signoffs within x recent months.
that being said, operating an experimental is significantly cheaper than a certified. also, switzerland is hardly any more expensive overall (surprisingly, as it normally is for most everything else!)
avgas cost is around 8$/gal, VAT is only 8%. a typical landing fee for a 1t airplane about 15$-20$. a typical rental runs around $200-$300/hr.
the whole ATC system is mainly funded by route charges on IFR flights >2t mtom. and sometimes a portion of the landing fee going to ATC depending on airport.
one aspect often overlooked is the cost of medicals, license renewal, forced annual membership fee in the local aeroclub, AIP/approach charts access and sectional charts for every country.
and as an aircraft owner registration/administration fees and radio station license fees. this is the first 1000$ spent annually without having flown a single hour....
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06-09-2017, 06:46 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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I have no input on the cost of flying in Europe but I do have a comment to pass on. I work in Homebuilt Parking during Oshkosh and last year we had a group of individuals volunteer to help. They were all from Europe and involved in some way with aviation either as a profession or as an avid enthusiast. During casual conversation I asked how they usually spent their ?Holiday? in the summer. Their answer was ?we always come to the States and fly?. They said it was easier and cheaper to fly to someplace here, get checked out at an FBO, and spend their ?Holiday? flying to places they had heard about in this country. Their only negative comment (with a smile) was sadly, that the beer might not be as good. We did our best to change their mind on that one. 
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06-09-2017, 07:17 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Keller, TX
Posts: 408
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When I was in England a couple of years ago I bought some glider flights for my Son's birthday at Aston Down in the Cotswolds. We spent the day there and I was able to get a couple of flights - great fun doing a winch launch!
Anyway, most of the folks in the Cotswold Gliding Club had been single engine pilots but turned to Gliding since it is so expensive flying powered a/c in the UK with gas costs, rental costs, hanger fees, landing and pattern fees etc.
When I was there a US gallon of 100LL was running a little over $10.
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06-10-2017, 12:46 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mpumalanga, South Africa
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Don't know about the mainland but I can give you some figures for UK:
Fuel - around $8/usg
Aircraft Hire - $150-200 for a light single (including fuel)
Landing Fees - normally about $12-15 - some places also charge extra for circuits
Hangar - varies enormously. At Kemble (a major GH hub), I was paying $400/month for a shared hangar
Insurance - for a 4-seater, about $2,000 - 2,500pa
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06-10-2017, 04:45 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: LSGY
Posts: 3,199
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Switzerland
Bernie nailed it for Switzerland - just another data point, my flying club charges 270 CHF/hour wet for a PA-28 (about 280 USD/hour). But it's worth it to fly in this amazing landscape!

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