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01-31-2007, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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roto zip
I've found that by far the best holes are made using a roto zip tool. You can get one at harbor freight for about $20. Make a template from wood and clamp it to the back of the metal. This will guide the roto zip. The template should be female, i.e. it will have the same hole cutout that you want to cutout, preventing the bit from wandering into material you don't want to cut. I used this for my NACA ducts and a completely clean and finished cut is done with a single pass. No risk from freehanding.
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Tim Ribble
Virginia Beach
RV-6A (only took 13 years to build  )
N621TR In unrestricted operation
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01-31-2007, 10:04 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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In general, what can a Dremel do that a pneumatic die-grinder can't do? I have a small die-grinder that I got for about 20 bucks. A dremel costs about $80CAD. Is it worth getting one? Can't I just use dremel bits in my die-grinder with exactly the same effect (being careful of the RPM of course).
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RV9A (SB)
Flying since July 2010!
Ottawa, Canada
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01-31-2007, 11:15 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lake St. Louis, MO.
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Originally Posted by prkaye
In general, what can a Dremel do that a pneumatic die-grinder can't do? I have a small die-grinder that I got for about 20 bucks. A dremel costs about $80CAD. Is it worth getting one? Can't I just use dremel bits in my die-grinder with exactly the same effect (being careful of the RPM of course).
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The pencil grinder can do everything a Dremel can do. Having both varieties, I prefer the pencil grinder. About the physical size of a Corona cigar, it uses air for power. It is much slimmer than a Dremel in which you are actually holding its motor. As such, a pneumatic pencil grinder is easier to manipulate, particularily useful in accessing very narrrow recesses. Having said that, a while back I purchased this really great deal at Sams.
http://www.vansairforce.com/communit...ead.php?t=6577
What I particularly like about this Dremel-like tool is that you can change it many accessories very fast without the need of a wrench. You merely depress a button near the collet to lock the spindle for accessory insertion or removal.
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Rick Galati
RV6A N307R"Darla!"
RV-8 N308R "LuLu"
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01-31-2007, 12:25 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 1,156
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Originally Posted by prkaye
In general, what can a Dremel do that a pneumatic die-grinder can't do? I have a small die-grinder that I got for about 20 bucks. A dremel costs about $80CAD. Is it worth getting one? Can't I just use dremel bits in my die-grinder with exactly the same effect (being careful of the RPM of course).
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I don't own a Dremel either. I do have a small Sioux pneumatic die grinder. Avery and others (McMaster-Carr, for example) sell the cutoff wheels and arbors to fit die grinders. I used mine to cut Duckworks landing light holes in the wing, then used the same blade to cut the plexi lenses to size. Quick, easy. Very controllable.
Oh yeah: Wear Eye Protection!
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Lars Pedersen
Davis, CA
RV-7 Flying as of June 24, 2012
960+ hours as of June 30, 2020. Where did the time go?
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01-31-2007, 08:37 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 220
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My dremel will be buried with me, when i go, along with my pneumatic squeezer.
I cant think of two tools that have made otherwise difficult tasks a piece of cake.
Its not only the cuting of the initial hole. the sanding drum attachments etc. make hole cutting and edge finishing in skins childs play.
I appreciate the die grinders have more horsepower, but for accuracy, and detail work, I think you cant beat the dremel. Ive got a Li-ion rechargeable one. Its great.
Cheers
Richard
Sydney, AUS
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01-31-2007, 09:43 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 878
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I hardly ever use my dremel tool on the RV
I have a regular variable speed "corded" dremel. I've used it very little on the RV project. Not real sure why. I think it's because it's noisy and it usually throws all the dust right in your face. More times than not for me I just can't hold it in a position that will allow me to see what I'm doing and not get sandblasted in the face. Maybe I need some schooling.
I prefer to drill the corners with a unibit and then use a nibbler.
The nibbler reminds me of the old Pac Man game. If you don't have one, get one. Usually they are less than $20.
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See how it works here:
http://www.mytoolstore.com/klein/76011b.html
The nibbler made this defroster cutout easy:
Mark
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Mark Burns
Ruston, Louisiana
RV-7A N781CM 1,650+ hrs
FFI FL-24
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01-31-2007, 10:24 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Cornish, NH
Posts: 391
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I cut out my landing & taxi lights, custom access panels, and instrument panel, all using the standard 3" diameter cutoff wheels as sold by Avery
( http://www.averytools.com/cart/p-408-cutoff-wheels.aspx), driven by my 18v battery drill or die grinder. Works fine, as long as done very carefully. Earlier work done with the die grinder. Later work done with the battery drill. Other suggestions listed here sound good, too. I'd use the larger 3" wheels on larger holes, and smaller Dremel wheels on smaller holes.
Examples:
http://www.meyette.us/WingsMar03.htm
http://www.meyette.us/AccessPanels.htm
http://www.meyette.us/avionicsJan06.htm#jan29
brian
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Brian Meyette, Cornish, NH
1995 RV-6A - N16RK (Ralph Koger) SOLD
RV-7A - incomplete, supercharged Subaru STi - N432MM - SOLD
2001 Quad City Challenger II LW - N28RT SOLD
www.meyette.us/RV-7Ahome.htm
Last edited by brian : 08-25-2009 at 09:14 AM.
Reason: update URLs
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01-31-2007, 11:12 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,061
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I did all the way up to the finish kit with a die grinder, nibbler and file. Recently got a Dremel and wish I'd had it all along. It's a lot quieter than a die grinder/compresser and easier to handle (less torque/weight). It's also cool to be able to go to Depot and get all the neat little tips for it. And you should definitely wear glasses and also try to keep your face out of line with the cutter. Don't ask me how I know this.
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Steve Zicree
Fullerton, Ca. w/beautiful 2.5 year old son 
RV-4 99% built  and sold 
Rag and tube project well under way
paid =VAF= dues through June 2013
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02-01-2007, 04:56 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Lake St. Louis, MO.
Posts: 2,346
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Originally Posted by Mark Burns
........and then use a nibbler. The nibbler reminds me of the old Pac Man game. If you don't have one, get one. Usually they are less than $20. Mark
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Mark,
Thanks for the excellent tip. Personally, having never considered nor used a hand nibbler...sometimes you just know instinctively a real tool winner when you see one. I'll be picking up my copy real soon. Thanks again.
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Rick Galati
RV6A N307R"Darla!"
RV-8 N308R "LuLu"
EAA Technical Counselor
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02-01-2007, 06:07 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: SC
Posts: 12,887
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More than one way to skin a cat
My tool of choice is a body saw.
Talk about a knife through butter!
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Bill R.
RV-9 (Yes, it's a dragon tail)
O-360 w/ dual P-mags
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build!
SC86 - Easley, SC
www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html
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