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Old 01-29-2007, 08:46 PM
Brien A. Seeley M.D. Brien A. Seeley M.D. is offline
 
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Exclamation NASA PAV Challenge: $250,000 for RV builder

I noted that you are flying an RV. Our CAFE Foundation tested Van's prototype in 2003 and found it to be a superb aircraft. In fact, it served as the model for what a good all-around GA aircraft could achieve when we designed the NASA PAV Challenge.

CAFE is hosting the $250,000 NASA Personal Air Vehicle Challenge on August 4-12, 2007. This will be the largest cash prize ever awarded to general aviation!!!

The RV's are the front-runner to win this contest, at present. Therefore, we invite you to recruit a team (expert consultants are available soon at www.cafefoundation.org), modify your aircraft as needed, and enter the competition to win $250,000. There is no gimmick here. The rules are posted on the website and are fair for all. You can ask Van about it. He knows that CAFE is an honest and fair non-profit organization.

We can only accept 16 teams into the competition. Please download the rules at
http://cafefoundation.org/v2/pav_pavchallenge_rules.php

Fill out the Notice of Interest Letter on the final page to reserve your slot in the competition. Fax it to: 707-544-2734

Good luck
Brien Seeley

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Old 01-29-2007, 09:29 PM
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Anyone see a referance to April 1st in this challange?
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:05 AM
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$250K? I'm confused, who is putting up this money?
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:15 AM
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Anyone see a referance to April 1st in this challange?
Tom
Ah... Nope.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:02 AM
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Was just looking at their website... they have a list of "key features of PAVs (Personal Air Vehicle). One of them is:

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Able to be flown by anyone with a driver's license
THAT is frightening. I personally think may people holding driver's licenses can't even drive CARS safely!
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:00 AM
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I didn't know the Cafe Foundation was still active. I had visited their website to read the aircraft performance reports - and saw that it had been 4 or 5 years since the last one. Interesting...
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Old 01-30-2007, 09:28 AM
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Default RV12?

Sounds like the RV12 could make a good showing in this competition. Right before Oshkosh.
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Old 01-30-2007, 11:21 AM
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Default competition requirements

I have not read the rules in great detail but I did see this competition advertised in one of the aviation magazines I see a few months ago. From what I could glean from that article it appeared to me the restrictions on the competition were so stringent I cannot see how any RV could qualify. For that matter it sounded like a competition for some well organized corporate teams or perhaps a university engineering team. I am not sure an everyday builder bloke like me could compete very well in this competition.
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Old 01-30-2007, 02:25 PM
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Default A waste of everyone's time.

The competition occurs in 6 months (it appears NASA only gave CAFE the go-ahead last November - a lead time of only 9 months!). That's not much time to assemble a team, find funding, invent, design, build, test, fine tune, and get FAA airworthiness certification for an aircraft incorporating any innovations.
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Old 01-30-2007, 05:24 PM
Brien A. Seeley M.D. Brien A. Seeley M.D. is offline
 
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Smile CAFE answers the previous posts on NASA PAV Prize:

The NASA Personal Air Vehicle Challenge is for real, not an April Fool's joke. The event will be held every summer for 5 years. NASA intends it to be the "X Prize" for general aviation to advance light aircraft design, and they place extra importance on it in light of the recent drastic cutbacks in the NASA aeronautics budget. Prize amounts increase annually, as follows: 2007: $250,000, 2008:$300,000, 2009: $400,000, 2010:$500,000 and 2011:$550,000.

The only catch is that the contest gets more difficult each year (as it should). A team from NASA and CAFE carefully set the qualifying requirements to be, yes, stringent, but within reach of the performances already documented by CAFE's long-running Aircraft Performance Reports (APR) program. The APR program was funded by EAA, and was discontinued when Scott Spangler took over EAA's publications because he felt that CAFE's APR reports were, essentially, too 'mathy' and beyond the broader interests of Sport Aviation's readership. Thus, CAFE's funding from EAA Oshkosh ended in 2003, and as an all-volunteer non-profit educational foundation, it has subsisted since then on contributions from its own Board members as well as from Van and Dr. Paul MacCready, among other visionaries. NOTE: NASA provides the cash prizes and gives ZERO dollars to CAFE.

The final NASA approval for the contest rules agreement came just a couple of months ago, but it is now a GO for all 5 years. That this leaves little time to prepare for the Aug 4 2007 event, and, coupled with the ease of winning the first year, should prompt RV flyers to get busy, make the mods needed to qualify, and register for the event. There will only be 16 teams accepted and we already have 11 Letters of Intent from a variety of interesting homebuit designs, though none from Boeing, Northrop or Honda (yet)

The current rules for the event are available at: www.cafefoundation.org
These rules are being modified to be a bit more lenient in noise levels and MPG requirements, reflecting more recent information obtained by CAFE, and those revisions should be posted within a week or two.

The prototype RV-9A flight test data at CAFE showed it to obtain 30 MPG at 170 mph (way lean of peak EGT) and to qualify for the NASA PAV Challenge on every qualifying metric except noise level. Some builders are already looking at quiet props and special mufflers to fix that.

What are you waiting for?
Brien Seeley, President, CAFE Foundation
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