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Old 10-07-2016, 08:02 PM
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Ahhh, because the vendor said so. Got it.
Yes, Dan, a little skepticism is always healthy. However, in this case, my friend Scott said so, and he's been doing this for years. You and Scott are two people I look up to, and in whose words I trust.
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:12 PM
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First, let me say that I don't have a dog in the hunt, at least not yet.

I, for one, have no idea how 2024 sheet stock is prepped prior to applying the blue plastic (scratch protection) wrap. Does the vendor prep it as for painting (doubtful), or just pull it off the stack & run it through the applicator?

I understand wanting to be cautious with new processes, but isn't a bit ironic that we're so fearful that some plane, some where, might get corrosion under vinyl, but we *know* that we can get corrosion under paint? ;-)

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Old 10-07-2016, 08:12 PM
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Bruce, use a light 2-3 second wave of heat gun to relax the adhesive.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:30 PM
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Has anybody wrapped an RV-12? It seems like it would be pretty difficult with thousands of non-flush LP4-3 rivets to deal with.
I don't know of any, but I have some vinyl wrap here that I intend to try out on mine to see if it's a viable alternative to paint with blind rivets. At some point some, most or all of the paint is coming off (jury is out as to how much of it) and I'm not ruling our vinyl yet for the new covering.

I have wrapped a few small parts. The tail fairing and inspection covers are wrapped, and I'm very happy with those. I also wrapped the forward top fuselage skin. There I was not as thrilled. It looks great, but I managed to scratch it in a couple of places putting the canopy back on. With paint I could have buffed it out and maybe touched up the paint if the scratch were deep enough to need it. With vinyl, either you re-wrap the whole piece or you just live with it - the scratch or a patch will look just as bad.

Countersunk screws are a problem too. You'll either need to cut around the heads or, well, I'm not sure what. I just put them in gently with a little Boelube on the heads to minimize the twisting.

So here's the cool thing... the guy I had do my new N-number and Woodstock graphics has a shop just a few blocks from the airport, AND does a lot of vinyl wrap work on vehicles, AND he flies an ultralight. I'm definitely going to see what advice (or maybe assistance) he has to offer.
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Old 10-08-2016, 07:52 AM
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Gentlemen, my question to Sid was serious as a heart attack.

We know corrosion can happen under the blue shipping vinyl.

We know corrosion can happen under paint.

So, if there is something about wrap vinyl that makes corrosion a "complete and total non-issue", it could be very useful.

My RV-8 has Grove billet aluminum gear legs. They're made of 7075, an alloy which is not naturally corrosion resistant. They must be primed and painted, or kept polished and waxed. Mine are polished. It looks good, but I think regular polishing is a PITA.

Recall I found Bruce's work with chrome-look vinyl interesting, and asked about clear film over polished aluminum? You see where I'm going here? If either film can go over the polished gear leg (a) without concern for corrosion, or (b) with the expectation that is will absolutely prevent corrosion, why, I would be a very happy camper.

Turns out to be a statement based on anecdote from a vested interest. That's not an accusation. On the other hand, it's not science.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:04 AM
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I painted white and covered the wingtips and empennage tips in Hot Rod Red 3M 1080 Vinyl. I also cut a design and put it on the sides. I really like the Idea that I can change up my trim scheme any time I want. But I am having trouble covering the compound curves on the empennage tips with a single piece. At first it looks great but over time the edges wrinkle. There is probably something I'm doing wrong but it is difficult to heat and stretch around the compound curve and expect the straight line near it to not wrinkle after sitting a while.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:18 AM
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I don't know of any, but I have some vinyl wrap here that I intend to try out on mine to see if it's a viable alternative to paint with blind rivets. At some point some, most or all of the paint is coming off (jury is out as to how much of it) and I'm not ruling our vinyl yet for the new covering.

I have wrapped a few small parts. The tail fairing and inspection covers are wrapped, and I'm very happy with those. I also wrapped the forward top fuselage skin. There I was not as thrilled. It looks great, but I managed to scratch it in a couple of places putting the canopy back on. With paint I could have buffed it out and maybe touched up the paint if the scratch were deep enough to need it. With vinyl, either you re-wrap the whole piece or you just live with it - the scratch or a patch will look just as bad.

Countersunk screws are a problem too. You'll either need to cut around the heads or, well, I'm not sure what. I just put them in gently with a little Boelube on the heads to minimize the twisting.

So here's the cool thing... the guy I had do my new N-number and Woodstock graphics has a shop just a few blocks from the airport, AND does a lot of vinyl wrap work on vehicles, AND he flies an ultralight. I'm definitely going to see what advice (or maybe assistance) he has to offer.
A friend had a Zenith 650 that was vinyl wrapped and it looked good. Even around the pulled rivets. I did note one area of concern, which is on the belly's edge at the firewall. The wrap delaminated due to an ongoing oil or fuel leak.
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:29 AM
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A friend had a Zenith 650 that was vinyl wrapped and it looked good. Even around the pulled rivets. I did note one area of concern, which is on the belly's edge at the firewall. The wrap delaminated due to an ongoing oil or fuel leak.
Huh... guess it's been done at least once:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyOhqgA_cuo
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Old 10-08-2016, 08:50 AM
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So, if there is something about wrap vinyl that makes corrosion a "complete and total non-issue", it could be very useful.
Words have meaning, and I acknowledge that my choice of words have clearly whipped this conversation into a bit of a froth. That's my communications degree failing me once again.

I ask the readers to substitute my previous statement with this new quote:

"Scott has found zero corrosion under the vinyl. So far, it has not been an issue."

As for those who will pull vinyl looking for underlying corrosion, I'm interested in those results. It would be a new and important data point.

Dan, I sent your question about clear vinyl on your polished gear to Scott because, you're right, it would be a great application.
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:42 AM
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Thanks for the email Sid.

Sid quoted me correctly. We have removed previously applied vinyl for customers and found no issues.

Regarding the clear vinyl application: That would be a "wet-install" process and completely go against AircraftWraps installation process. I would not recommend spraying moisture onto a surface to install vinyl and possibly locking in that moisture.

Dan H, "Because the vendor said"... I'm Scott Farnsworth, we've met before I believe? Either way, I think I'm the furthest thing from a "vendor" in the business practice. I developed the process and application only for myself to improve speed for racing and lighten up my aircraft for aerobatics. I'm first a pilot that respects our community and owner of AW secondly.

I don't need to "sell". I will not make a statement misrepresenting the truth. My reputation as a pilot in the community will always outweigh "making a sell".

(Responses may be delayed. Today is taking storm shutters down day)

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