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[Tandem46]

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[rvator9a]

As far as I'm concerned it would be a shame if we as pilots won't share commentary, experiences and insight into aviation related accidents. I make my self read all of the accident reports on this site because I may read something that keeps me from orphaning my three children, because of something that I don't know or doing something I shouldn't do. I understand I would be safer in a less risky hobby, but my family understands my love of aviation. Please to all those out there who may be able to pass on a nugget of knowledge that may prevent an accident, please continue to post on this site

[w1curtis]

Originally Posted by rvator9a

... I make my self read all of the accident reports on this site because I may read something that keeps me from orphaning my three children, because of something that I don't know or doing something I shouldn't do.

I hope you don't rely on *this* site for accident reports? Nothing here is official and you will only get the particular "bent" of the poster. I regularly read here for preliminary and factual reports. Suggest you take a look at these.

[fstringham7a]

Tobin

Free speech here as everywhere, may offend some, enlighten other, cause others to pause and reflect, and yes on a few occassions creat bitterness. But, stay in the game.....when I get my flying magazine each month one of my first reads is I LEARNED ABOUT FLYING FROM THAT, AFTERMATH, and the ON THE RECORD! My hope is to learn from other and live another day!!!!!

I will look forward to your future imputs that may help ME save ME from MYSELF!!!!!!

Frank @ SGU and SLC RV 7A

[Ironflight]

Tobin -

Anyone who does the kind of flying you have done has plenty to contribute....we're both products of aviation organizations that stress safety education, and if they didn't they wouldn't be viable.

I think the folks on that other fur-ball thread have kind of mixed too many things in there - safety messages, mishap reports (early and final), and the exploitation of accidents by the press. Too much in there not to create controversy.

Meanwhile, I am going to keep learning from both the good flying of some, and the bad judgment of others, along with the rest of the folks that fly professionally. I plan to die in bed, not in the cockpit!

Paul

[rv6ejguy]

Originally Posted by fstringham7a

Tobin

Free speech here as everywhere, may offend some, enlighten other, cause others to pause and reflect, and yes on a few occassions creat bitterness. But, stay in the game.....when I get my flying magazine each month one of my first reads is I LEARNED ABOUT FLYING FROM THAT, AFTERMATH, and the ON THE RECORD! My hope is to learn from other and live another day!!!!!

I will look forward to your future imputs that may help ME save ME from MYSELF!!!!!!

Frank @ SGU and SLC RV 7A

My thoughts mirror yours here. Great post.

[airguy]

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This forum is by adults, for adults, with free speech rights so long as Doug Reeves allows it. No matter what a person (any person) writes on here, there will always be dissenting opinions - don't take them personally. Information is always a good thing - as are different opinions. Intelligent people will pick through all the noise and develop their own opinions and conclusions from the available data. Limiting the data limits the options.

[Bob Axsom]

Thank You!

Bob Axsom

[David-aviator]

Originally Posted by tobinbasford

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Let me explain myself if I could, I'll keep it short.

I'll concede I probably spend too much time looking at accidents stats. I've been doing that for years. I do it for one reason and one reason only, to hopefully learn from the mistakes of others. Sometimes I feel like sharing what I've found and that's what I did last night, it's all about awareness. As for being a nervous nellie, maybe, maybe not, but I've been flying for 3000hrs, most of that in the Navy and alot of that around ships at night in open ocean on dark nights(not fun). 400hrs in my RV-7, day, vmc.

The general aviation reputation in the media is not from guys like me (even Flying magazine, AOPA magazine, etc, routinely report accident stats, both from completed investigations and from prelims) rather it's from pilots doing "stupid pilot tricks". Pilots are always doing dumb, dumb things but my reporting on it here on this site has nothing to do with the media's coverage of those same events.

Having said this, I will refrain in the future from posting accident related info here and commenting on any accident related posts from other posters.

Happy New Year

Tobin,

You are frustrated with a prevailing attitude in GA that accidents are a way of life, always have been and always will be; and furthermore I'd rather not talk about it, think about it, or do anything about it, and don't bore me with the latest body bag count.

You've been hammered because you raise issue with the unacceptable number of accidents this month - entire families wiped out just before Christmas. Good grief, we need to talk about this carnage - it is not good. It's just a different form of down town Baghdad.

I have a difficult time comprehending some of the laissez-faire thinking expressed on this forum on this subject. A couple months ago I was royally hammered for suggesting that real pilots do not ever unintentionally stall an airplane. The response was like, this could happen to anyone so don't knock it. Same type of thinking on running out of fuel.

Yes, it happens. But for a pilot, it's like showing up at church on Sunday morning without your pants on - oh, by the way congregation, don't knock it, it could happen to you. B.S. Total B.S.

As aviators,we can and must do better than that. That is all Tobin Basford is saying. Navy carrier flying is extremely dangerous flying and he knows of what he speaks about safety, surviving and an attitude about it. If you don't like what he says, don't read it. But he speaks the truth.

We should be very concerned about these accidents, but as a group we are not. That is disturbing.

dd

[Yukon]

Right on David! Safety should be our #1 concern.