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Old 05-15-2016, 01:00 AM
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Default Practicing stall recovery, the fabled base to final turn with engine failure

I did my BFR last Friday, as part of the review, Pete my instructor asked if I had ever practised a turning stall with in turn rudder to get it to come around faster.

Note in the video the stall warning sounds after we are pointing at the ground

This was a very sobering exercise, watch my attempt, I was taught to roll upright before pulling to the horizon, but the surprise catches me out even though I know it's going to happen. I then stall it again in my recovery by pulling a little too hard.

Also note, there is no spin, just strait down

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Old 05-15-2016, 01:15 AM
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Old 05-15-2016, 05:24 AM
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Eye opening! Anyone know if the -10 has the same characteristic?

Thanks for sharing.
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Old 05-15-2016, 05:50 AM
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G'day Eddie,

Thanks for posting - very good demonstration of the skidding turn stall - instructor Pete was worth the $ & time. Stall warning was instructive too.

See also Vac's thread on RV training syllabi, performance & handling.

Someone competent please provide a link to Vac's thread.

Vac's latest draft is also on the Sports Aircraft Association of Australia (SAAA) member's (only) forum under Flying Training - you would need a log-in.

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Old 05-15-2016, 06:53 AM
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Default Turn stall

Eddie,

That was an outstanding demonstration. Your instructor is correct, this may lead to some of the unfortunate outcomes we've all read in accident reports. And not just with engine failures, normal patterns for those without any type of stall warning system. A little bit of overshooting wind, trying to crank it around to line up, kick a little rudder to help and there it is.....

You may have just saved someone's bacon today by posting this video. I think your instructor deserves a round of his favorite beverage!

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Old 05-15-2016, 09:30 AM
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This is worth a sticky thread in the safety category. Very eye opening departure that the wing makes, without warning. I don't see most RV's here in the states with stall warning, not that it did anything to prevent these cross controlled stalls. I wish you tube movies could be saved to a hard drive. This one would be in my syllabus as a CFII.
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The instructor makes a great point that if this were to happen in a right turn, the stall warning / AOA might not indicate a danger! If the right wing stalls and your pitot / AOA probe is on the left wing...
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... I wish you tube movies could be saved to a hard drive. This one would be in my syllabus as a CFII....
Go to your browser add-on page and look for "Download Flash and Video". I use it in Firefox and can download videos from YouTube, Facebook, etc. I downloaded and saved the video posted by the OP.

YMMV...
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:21 AM
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This is worth a sticky thread in the safety category. Very eye opening departure that the wing makes, without warning. I don't see most RV's here in the states with stall warning, not that it did anything to prevent these cross controlled stalls. I wish you tube movies could be saved to a hard drive. This one would be in my syllabus as a CFII.
Google "Keepvid" and use the YouTube link in the address field.
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