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Old 02-27-2016, 04:46 PM
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Check out the Cirrus SR22 G3.
In this generation, they moved the intake from the wings (G2) to a NACA duct on the right side cowl.
Also note how they treat their emergency procedure for cabin smoke or engine fire.
Seems like a good way to get fresh air.

They have a heat mixer to provide warm/cold/mixed air to both the front and back vents.

I would do it this way on my -10 but I can't figure a route over the spar to get to the back seats (other than through an overhead or through the center tunnel, both not ideal)
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:34 AM
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Default Cooling issue...not you, the engine

I went with NACA scoops on the side of the fuselage for two reasons. The first is that they provide a huge amount of air. You will even get flow from the prop at idle on the ground. No CO problem as the air is truly fresh.

My concern with your setup is that you are robbing cooling air from the engine when you most need it, summer. Both you and the engine need cool air. If you don't get it, you get sweaty. If the engine doesn't get it, you get sweaty replacing cylinders. You might be able to get away with this in winter but you won't need the cold air in the cockpit then. Food for thought.
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:56 AM
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You're right Mel, I had just finished reading the OP's post, (who had also written Co2) and had that stuck in my mind.

Why didn't he get scolded?
Because I missed HIS entry error. Guess I just pay more attention to your posts. Sorry.
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:05 AM
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To the original poster - You want to do something to protect your engine mount from that braided oil hose.
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:07 AM
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I'll take my fresh air from NACA ducts.

There is a temperature rise between the cowl inlets and a baffle wall duct. Some of it is ram rise (there's another thread on that subject right now, as it relates to OAT probes), and some of it is heating from the upper cylinder fins.

I've measured the temperature increase repeatedly, comparing OAT to a temperature probe inserted in the plenum feeding a remote oil cooler from the rear baffle wall...essentially the same thing as feeding the cabin. Two examples from my notes, morning and afternoon business trip, out and back:

Hot day testing (107F on the ground at Jackson MS)

Morning OAT 64F @ 8500 ft
Oil cooler inlet probe 81F
81-64= 17 degree rise

Afternoon OAT 86F @ 2500 ft
Oil cooler inlet probe 101F
101-86= 16 degree rise
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Old 02-28-2016, 08:03 AM
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YES !! Going to take the NACA scoop direction.. Mount the scoop on the lower cowl.. Brain did not connect with that option… There is plenty of room to easily connect / disconnect the scat from the scoop when the lower cowl needs removal… Really don’t see any down side. No CO issues.. Sounds like top notch flow when desired… Courtesy photos of installation to follow in a few days.. Many thanks… Al

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Old 02-28-2016, 08:07 AM
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Thanks. Fixed the braided oil line issue. and will keep it in mind with other braided lines as well Al
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:02 PM
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Default External Fresh Air Scoop

Just need to add insect screening ...

Finished...IMG_1829 by Arthur Karpinski, on Flickr

IMG_1827 by Arthur Karpinski, on Flickr
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