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11-05-2015, 11:35 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Originally Posted by jdearborn
Troll the guy. If he had missiles you'd already be toast or he's just a 'gunner'. Max power and turn into him with just enough 'G' to prevent a firing solution. Trade off some altitude to maintain your energy. He'll think you haven't seen him. If he dissipates energy (slows down) to saddle up for the shot, you can then apply the rest of your available 'G' to force an overshoot. Now it's your turn!! If he keeps his energy and pitches up (high yo-yo) it may be time to 'bugout' while he is nose high. A high wing (C-180) vs low wing (Mooney) in a turning fight is not a good idea. Always watch out for dash 2!
****This all is assuming his aircraft has a performance advantage.
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I'll second that. Chief Pilot may actually have seen that before... Not sure, Hmmm... 
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11-05-2015, 11:39 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Originally Posted by Steve51B
I'll second that. Chief Pilot may actually have seen that before... Not sure, Hmmm... 
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Could be. Happens now and again when I'm flying around in the QRV-6A...
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11-05-2015, 12:00 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Keller, TX
Posts: 408
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Need to Turn the Transponder on
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Originally Posted by David-aviator
I fly locally a lot and never see another airplane - yesterday had 2 close encountered. One guy a Mooney, appeared to have jumped me from 5 o'clock, I broke the other way in a 180 and he kept on going. The others was a Cherokee minding his own business.
I hate to spend more money on this airplane but it looks like ADS-B is a coming necessity. I don't like in flight surprises.
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The problem is that for ADS-B to work the other guy has to have a transponder installed and ON. I fly under the DFW Class B shelf (obviously within the Mode C veil) where use of a transponder is mandatory. I am surprised how many planes I see that are not showing up on the ADS-B in (such as the traffic patterns at local airports).
Please, please if you have a transponder, turn it on every time you fly, even where it is not "required".
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11-05-2015, 12:04 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mead, WA
Posts: 198
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Originally Posted by ChiefPilot
I don't think ADS-B will help.
If a Mooney is jumping you from five o'clock, then that implies he already has a serious energy advantage. If he was set up for a close-in flight path overshoot, a break turn may temporarily neutralize his attack but he will still have a net energy advantage while you've just used more of your energy in the turn.
One option might be a lag/displacement roll to your left. This will force the Mooney to overshoot while preserving your energy state and putting you in an offensive position. Depending on his experience, the Mooney driver will likely extend and disengage. Be prepared for a rolling scissors however if the Mooney driver possesses the spirit of attack.
Not sure how ADS-B is of any help in this scenario. 
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But if he [the RV driver] went into a right cross he could immediately go to guns on him. Oh wait, maybe that's too aggressive... 
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11-05-2015, 12:04 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: St. Paul, MN
Posts: 46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying again!
The problem is that for ADS-B to work the other guy has to have a transponder installed and ON. I fly under the DFW Class B shelf (obviously within the Mode C veil) where use of a transponder is mandatory. I am surprised how many planes I see that are not showing up on the ADS-B in (such as the traffic patterns at local airports).
Please, please if you have a transponder, turn it on every time you fly, even where it is not "required".
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I'm in a hangar with 3 other planes near the interior rings of a Class B area. I'm the only plane in that hangar that has an electrical system and is required to have a transponder. Of course it's on all the time, but those other guys don't even have them. Best not rely on anything but keeping a good lookout. I fly planes with TCAS at work and they are great, but we never completely trust it. Every once in a while we have one of those moments... "where did that guy come from?"
Last edited by Steve51B : 11-05-2015 at 12:08 PM.
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11-05-2015, 12:08 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 1,674
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Radar
You may have had a heads up had you been operating your rear facing Synthetic Aperature Radar (SAR) system. A quick internet search turned this up. Just scale it up.
http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/20...dar-system-250
Bevan
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11-05-2015, 01:17 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal
Posts: 391
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GIB?
I thought it was the backseater's job to look out for traffic from the rear.
While this is a side-by-side, it illustrates the concept.
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11-05-2015, 01:19 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ashland, OR
Posts: 2,573
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying again!
The problem is that for ADS-B to work the other guy has to have a transponder installed and ON. I fly under the DFW Class B shelf (obviously within the Mode C veil) where use of a transponder is mandatory. I am surprised how many planes I see that are not showing up on the ADS-B in (such as the traffic patterns at local airports).
Please, please if you have a transponder, turn it on every time you fly, even where it is not "required".
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Well, in fact, if you have one installed, it is "required" that it be turned on, even where it is not "required", except in the fairly rare case of Class G airspace. See 91.215(c)
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11-05-2015, 01:22 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ashland, OR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefPilot
I don't think ADS-B will help.
If a Mooney is jumping you ...
One option might be a lag/displacement roll to your left. This will force the Mooney to overshoot while preserving your energy state and putting you in an offensive position. Depending on his experience, the Mooney driver will likely extend and disengage. Be prepared for a rolling scissors however if the Mooney driver possesses the spirit of attack.
Not sure how ADS-B is of any help in this scenario. 
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Wouldn't the ADS-B be an asset for keeping track of where the Mooney is?
One thing I've never quite grasped is how you can keep sight on the opponent as both aircraft maneuver after a neutral break.
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Aeronautical Engineer
RV-8 N825RV
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WW 200RV
"The Magic Carpet"
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LS6-15/18W sailplane SOLD
bought my old LS6-A back!! 
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11-05-2015, 01:28 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 1,674
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scsmith
One thing I've never quite grasped is how you can keep sight on the opponent as both aircraft maneuver after a neutral break.
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Especially at jet speeds and low vis paint schemes. Very sore necks the next day.
Bevan
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