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View Poll Results: Would you use a "turn-key" flight test resource package for your aircraft?
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Yes, and would be willing to pay a small fee if professionally done
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Yes, but only if it's offered for free
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Maybe, I'd have to see a sample before deciding
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No, I'd prefer to make my own test cards and data plots
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09-12-2015, 07:22 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL
Posts: 11
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Use for Flight Test Resources?
I've been searching the internet lately for some good resources (flight cards, procedures, data redux tools, etc.) regarding a flight test program for RV aircraft, and haven't found anything too comprehensive or "turn-key." AC 90-89B provides pretty good guidance, but is very generalized. I believe that testing your aircraft is a fantastic way to learn the particulars regarding how it flies in all portions of the envelope, and I'm pretty passionate about this work. I'm a career flight test engineer with formal education in the subject area, and am looking to see whether you guys would use these resources if I was to build a professional set... even if you're past the "fly off" phase and just want to learn more about your aircraft. I'm honestly not yet sure whether this is something that I could do quickly and provide for free, or whether it will take substantial time leading me to request a reasonable (small) fee. Please vote, comment below, or send me a message with your thoughts.
Thanks!
Greg
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09-12-2015, 07:27 PM
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Senior Curmudgeon
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Dayton Airpark, NV A34
Posts: 15,408
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Greg and I have discussed this a bit, and I suggested he ask the membership here.
I personally wish I would have had a set of "test cards" for my flyoff-------but that is just my opinion.
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Flying as of 12/4/2010
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09-12-2015, 07:49 PM
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VAF Moderator / Line Boy
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Dayton, NV
Posts: 12,247
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There are people in the EAA working on this exact project right now - not sure the status, but I have seen drafts, and it will be a good thing.
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Editor at Large - KITPLANES Magazine
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Dayton Valley Airpark (A34)
http://Ironflight.com
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09-17-2015, 05:56 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL
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Thanks for the feedback! Glad to hear that EAA is taking this on. This is something I think is pretty important, and believe I have something to contribute, so I'll probably share what I put together anyways if even for free. Appreciate the help!
Greg
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09-17-2015, 06:04 PM
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Savannah, GA
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Back when I was I the EAA Homebuilt Aircraft Council, we got fairly far along on that but didn't take it to completion because staff was overworked, IIRC. Hopefully I've still got it on my computer. Send me your email address.
Ed
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09-17-2015, 06:10 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampa, FL
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I voted no mainly because I was able to make my own using examples others had posted and other flight test resources ( the AC, EAA webinars, test flight articles, etc) available online and lived to tell the tale. However, I'm sure there are others that would prefer the turnkey option.
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09-17-2015, 06:55 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Boulder, CO
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I voted no because I intend to use examples which are already available and create my own using them as a basis.
I have a small bit of formal background in it and am looking forward to that phase of the project.
Note that here and there, some of the data is readily available. You can do a search for these documents:
USNTPS-FTM-NO. 108 Fixed Wing Performance
USNTPS-FTM-NO. 103 Fixed Wing Stability and Control
USNTPS-FTM-NO. 109 Systems Testing
And these will give you some background and in some cases might prove useful. Back issues of EAA's Experimenter over the last few years carried some good discussions, too, more oriented towards our aircraft but limited in topic.
Dave
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09-18-2015, 12:20 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Niceville, Florida
Posts: 434
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Greg,
Sent you a PM.
Cheers,
Vac
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Niceville, Florida
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09-18-2015, 12:49 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,452
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I also thought about doing the same. But right now i am going through my own stuff and some docs from Vac, and dont have the time. Vac has done a great job with his doc.
Its a service just like those that go get help from a build center or pay for an instrument panel or interior. If you dont have the skill, you can get a better product from someone that does it for a living.
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The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weight out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk.
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09-18-2015, 07:16 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Fort Walton Beach, FL
Posts: 11
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Thanks guys for the good words and reasons for voting "no." I understand that some folks have more free time than others, so building your own program makes sense. I was just offering up my flight test background to help make it easy to collect data in-flight, then jam the data into a simple computer program that would generate the plots you need/desire for your POH. After all, who doesn't want to know the best rate of climb schedule and best range cruise speeds for your specific aircraft to save some cash on fuel?
Thanks again,
Greg
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