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04-02-2016, 05:29 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Central Iowa
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Database question
Mike,
I hope you don't mind what I hope is related to the title of your original post.
Question about data choices in fly garmin. Why would I not want to choose North America vs. United States for the flite charts? Is United States a subset of North America? Is the North America data simply larger and potentially slower to load or is there more to it?
This same choice applies to those of you in Canada.
Ed. Part of my confusion is probably due to the fact that I am redeeming a coupon and the cost difference is neglected by the coupon.
Thanks,
Jim
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Last edited by Jimd : 04-02-2016 at 05:56 AM.
Reason: Coupon
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04-02-2016, 06:27 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin, Texas
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Garmin Database Options
Jim,
I didn't purchase the US Lite Database Bundle because of this description: includes US VFR Navigation, Obstacles, FliteCharts, SafeTaxi, Airport Directory, and Terrain databases.
The Americas database Bundle includes: NavData, Obstacles, FliteCharts, SafeTaxi, Airport Directory, and Terrain databases.
I've always intended to have IFR capability, so the choice was driven by that.
Tosh McIntosh (Tango Mike)
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04-02-2016, 09:54 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Reply from g3x
I sent my question to the g3x team and got quick response that cleared me up.
"If you click on FliteCharts in your FlyGarmin view you can see the difference in coverage for the U.S. versus North American FliteCharts. As you said in your post, with a free coupon, you could choose either, but normally the North American is higher and you wouldn’t choose it if you just fly in the U.S.
Yes, it will take longer to download and install the North American, so I would never choose it (even if free) if I wasn’t going to Canada.
Thanks,
Steve"
Thanks Tosh for letting me use your thread!
Jim
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Last edited by Jimd : 04-02-2016 at 09:54 AM.
Reason: Added quotes from Steve @g3x
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04-02-2016, 02:15 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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Reply from G3X
You're welcome, Jim. Feel free to hop on a thread of mine at any time.
I have no intention of flying outside of the US and would have definitely chosen US Lite and saved the difference had it not been for the words "includes US VFR navigation." Being forced to purchase a North American database to obtain US IFR navigation is, frankly, not customer friendly on the part of Garmin.
Tosh
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04-02-2016, 03:12 PM
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Tosh,
Unless I don't understand something ( which happens ALL the time ) I don't think you have to buy the entire North America dataset to get IFR. I am planing on the $149 subscription and will use the IFR charts and plates on the g3x.
Jim
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04-02-2016, 03:56 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin, Texas
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Jim,
This may be a case of not asking the question if you can't stand the answer, but it makes me wonder why the US Lite Database Bundle specifically says VFR navigation.
Another factor is that the G3X GPS is not an IFR certified navigator. You can use it to monitor progress of an IFR GPS providing external navigation information to the G3X, but not as a stand-alone navigator under IFR rules.
Tosh
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04-03-2016, 12:39 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Annapolis MD
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@J, @TM,
The "Lite" bundle has a VFR navigation database using FAA data with little massaging, and no approach data.
The "Americas" bundle uses a Jeppesen massaged NavData database that includes approach data.
There is a new Garmin massaged navigation database that contains approach data that is being offered as part of a bundle supporting their Aera 660 solution. G3X Steve has hinted that this bundle "might" be available for G3X users in the future. Sadly, no date provided. The Aera price is $149 annually, so that's encouraging. I'm assuming the Jeppesen NavData licensing fees makes the "Americas" data package expensive compared to Garmin data.
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04-03-2016, 03:15 PM
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I can certainly attest to the pain of Jeppesen's licensing fees. My G400W can only use the Jeppesen databases to the tune of $400+ bucks per year because no Garmin database is available for it.
Tosh
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04-10-2016, 07:32 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tango Mike
I can certainly attest to the pain of Jeppesen's licensing fees. My G400W can only use the Jeppesen databases to the tune of $400+ bucks per year because no Garmin database is available for it.
Tosh
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Reading tea leaves, the newest G3X update mentions adding support for Garmin Navigation Data, so hopefully some good news is imminent. As a aside, I wonder if Garmin is getting deeper into the navdata business, and spreading it across its entire product line.....
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04-11-2016, 09:11 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin, Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by maus92
Reading tea leaves, the newest G3X update mentions adding support for Garmin Navigation Data, so hopefully some good news is imminent. As a aside, I wonder if Garmin is getting deeper into the navdata business, and spreading it across its entire product line.....
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Not sure I understand what the tea leaves are saying . . .
The G3X system already uses Garmin's Nav Data. As I understand it, the only reason the G400 does not is that when Garmin first offered the unit for sale, they didn't have a database to put in it, so they used Jeppesen's, which means I'm stuck with paying the higher cost if I want to keep the GPS current for legal IFR use.
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