VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Model Specific > RV-4
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-05-2015, 09:44 PM
RV-4 RV-4 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: St-Jerome,Quebec,Canada
Posts: 1,125
Angry Canopy's cracks

Well today I had the displeasure of finding a crack in my RV-4 's canopy....

This canopy was installed in 2010 ( # 3 ) using Sikaflex and only 4 screws to hold it in place...

When I received the canopy from VAN'S I made a remark that I found it very thin and wouldn't be surprise if it eventually cracked...well today it proofed me right...

The next one is going to be a Todd's canopy...His are .220'' thick vs .177 for the Van's ( Aero-Plastics ) ones so hopefully it 's gonna last a little longer..

Any feedbacks on Todd's Canopy you guys will like to add?

Thanks

Bruno
rv4@videotron.ca

Last edited by rv6rick : 05-06-2015 at 06:34 AM. Reason: Removed expletive
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-05-2015, 11:37 PM
Captain Avgas Captain Avgas is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 1,865
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RV-4 View Post
Well today I had the displeasure of finding a crack in my RV-4 's canopy....

This canopy was installed in 2010 ( # 3 ) using Sikaflex and only 4 screws to hold it in place...

Bruno
rv4@videotron.ca
Did it crack from one of the 4 screws or from an area bonded by Sikaflex ?
__________________
You’re only as good as your last landing
Bob Barrow
RV7A
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-06-2015, 10:49 PM
RV-4 RV-4 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: St-Jerome,Quebec,Canada
Posts: 1,125
Cool Cracked Canopy

It did cracked from an aera bonded by Sikaflex.

There was a smaller crack from the beginning at one of the screw.I stop-drilled it and it hasn't expanded yet...

Looking at it closely today, I noticed that the crack ( located just aft of the rear seat on the L/H side ) was in line with the joint in the skirt. It may have caused a stress or weak point.

My canopy was also rubbing slighly when I closed it so it may also have caused some stress and with the thickness of the canopy not being the greatest at this location, it eventually let go..

I have glued the crack shut with Weldon 3 so hopefully it will hold until I get the new one ready.

I've got a new Todd's Canopy on order and will use a complete Sikaflex bonding with the new one without screws or rivets...


Bruno
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-07-2015, 04:24 PM
Doug's Avatar
Doug Doug is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 427
Default

Can you post a photo? It would be good to have that documented here.
__________________
Doug Gray
RV-6 completed, flying since July 2010
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-07-2015, 05:00 PM
Allan Stern Allan Stern is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Cape Coral, Florida
Posts: 256
Default Crack

I now have two cracks in my 8a canopy. Besides stop drilling them I got clear Gorilla tape and put a strip on both the inside and outside of canopy. It might be a little ugly but I think it will hold just fine.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-07-2015, 05:27 PM
jrs14855 jrs14855 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
Posts: 2,390
Default Canopy

The most likely cause for cracks not involving a fastener is inadequate finishing of the edges. After doing as much as possible with a file, the edges should be sanded with wet or dry sandpaper starting with 320 grit and finishing with 400. Wrap the sandpaper around a small wood block and sand lengthwise along the edges. There should also be a nice smooth chamfer on all edges, polished the same way.
One of the fairly recent issues that now affects ALL acrylic sheet is the lack of quality control. Material that should measure .250 might actually be as thin as .230. When this is formed into a canopy the thickness will be much less in thin areas.
In most cases small cracks can be reinforced on the inside with bonded doublers. In most cases these will not interfere with vision and are only mildly annoying cosmetically. Any plastic supplier should have the "glue" for making repairs. You can form the doubler with a heat gun before bonding simply by heating it and then holding it in place against the canopy. One method of doing this is to use a wood block with a piece of medium hardness rubber glued to it, then a piece of cotton fabric wrapped around the block. Form the block, let it cool, then bon d it in place. The proper type of cement actually melts the acrylic slightly and then cures quickly.
I know of two midget racing airplanes that had canopies made from Aeronca 7AC windshields. The windshields were split down the middle and a strip was bonded down the middle on the inside. Lasted over thirty years. One was a very fast airplane that went at least 270 m/h.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-07-2015, 05:30 PM
jrs14855 jrs14855 is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Lake Havasu City AZ
Posts: 2,390
Default Canopy

For new construction an inside reinforcement can be created in highly stressed areas by bonding a narrow strip of cloth and epoxy to the inside of the canopy. This would be especially useful if any fasteners are used. The strip would be narrow enough so not to be visible when the canopy is finished.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-07-2015, 07:50 PM
Michael Henning Michael Henning is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Nashua, NH
Posts: 536
Thumbs up Canopy

I did the light tint canopy from Todd, and it is real nice. It is a little taller than Vans' canopy as well as thicker. Todd recommended that I use 3M 5200 Fast Cure to bond canopy on. One tube at $25 and it is done, never ever to come off.
__________________
Mike
RV-4 #2750
N654ML
IO-360
WW150C Prop
1018 lbs
Flying
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-07-2015, 09:08 PM
RV-4 RV-4 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: St-Jerome,Quebec,Canada
Posts: 1,125
Thumbs up Cracked Canopy

Thanks a lot to everyone who provided feedbacks on your experience with your canopy.

I've used the original canopy frame that was on the aircraft when I bought it 3 times now and will most likely go with a new frame next time around( will see how it goes eventough I think that the original frame should be just fine )

I ordered a new canopy from Todd and should be getting in about 3-4 weeks I would say..I can still fly the aircraft even with the crack..( I welded it shut with Weldon 3 so I'll see how it goes.

Doug: I don't have a picture but will try to remember to take one tomorrow if I go flying..Send me your e-mail and I'll send it to you ( I can't post it here..)

Keep on sending feedbacks and trick...much appreciated

Bruno
rv4@videotron.ca
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-07-2015, 10:21 PM
CATPart CATPart is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: up up and away
Posts: 312
Default

so you personally have gone through 3 canopies on this aircraft?
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:13 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.