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05-04-2015, 03:35 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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Originally Posted by bkthomps
i'll second this
i mean we're talking cutting the master while taxiing out to save a few hobbs,
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Almost all rental aircraft have their Hobbs meters wired directly to the battery thru a hidden fuse, and activated via an oil pressure switch. Otherwise people would do most of their flying with the master off!
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05-04-2015, 03:49 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: East Bay, SF
Posts: 28
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Originally Posted by BillL
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Not trying to threadjack as I think it is still relevant to the OP as a summary of assumptions: comparing the idea of buying a completed RV to a manufactured Cessna/Piper/whatever, the prospective purchaser:
- could most likely buy a more modern aircraft for the same initial cost
- maybe save some $$$ on maintenance budget (again due to newer RV)
- be comfortable the RV was built by a homebuilder (not that this is a negative)
- would most likely pay higher insurance costs with the RV
- may work on plane to heart's content but must have annual condition inspection done by A&P.
Are these a fair summary of points? Please advise and correct as appropriate. Any other comparative points you would add for people considering whether to buy a completed RV over an older manufactured plane, please add them too
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Last edited by exsterminator : 05-04-2015 at 04:47 PM.
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05-04-2015, 04:41 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Livermore, CA
Posts: 6,797
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Originally Posted by exsterminator
- may NOT perform any repairs outside of maintenance, just like a manufactured plane, and so needs annual inspections by an A&P and neither would they be able to upgrade any of the airplane systems themselves (such as glass display over steam).
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Highlighted one is false. You may work on the plane to your heart's content. You do need to have an annual "condition inspection" done by an A&P (does not need to be an A&P-IA as with certified aircraft).
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05-04-2015, 04:49 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: East Bay, SF
Posts: 28
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Originally Posted by BobTurner
Highlighted one is false. You may work on the plane to your heart's content. You do need to have an annual "condition inspection" done by an A&P (does not need to be an A&P-IA as with certified aircraft).
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If the A&P then draws up a list of things to fix/repair, is the new owner of the plane able to perform that work but still need it signed off by the A&P?
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05-04-2015, 04:54 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Vail, Arizona
Posts: 33
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Originally Posted by BillL
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Good price and I'm sure a fine plane.
Maybe its the picture but....everything is on the "wrong" side.
"This isn't England is it Danny?" "No." "I didn't think so."
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05-04-2015, 04:57 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Just Minutes from KBVI!
Posts: 1,039
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I did this. I was tired of competing with a lot of students for planes (local community college has an ATC program and requires the students to get a PPL) so I ended up buying a used Warrior II. It is a great plane for what it is (after correcting a couple of avionics issues), and I plan to keep it through my RV-10 build.
Get a good pre-buy evaluation done. Make sure you ask good questions, especially about ADs, and electronics. In my case I ended up fighting a bad transponder for months, which limited my flying time until I got it fixed. That slowed down my progress toward my license more than anything.
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05-04-2015, 05:14 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Dallas area
Posts: 10,768
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Originally Posted by exsterminator
If the A&P then draws up a list of things to fix/repair, is the new owner of the plane able to perform that work but still need it signed off by the A&P?
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An experimental amateur-built aircraft may be maintained, repaired, and even modified by anyone. Might not always be prudent, but it is legal.
An A&P or the original builder holding the repairman certificate for that aircraft is required to sign off the condition inspection. Everything else is "fair game".
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05-04-2015, 05:47 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Westland, MI
Posts: 311
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Maybe I can offer another perspective. I've been building my RV for around 694 years now and since it is taking so long, last June I bought a really nice Piper Cherokee. You can click the link in my signature to see it.
The Cherokee I bought is a 1962 and in 2011 had a lot of work done to it. It was repainted, new interior, new windows, and a bunch of other stuff.
I bought the airplane and I am happy with the price I paid. HOWEVER...after flying it for a while, I became uncomfortable flying it with the original seatbelts with no shoulder harnesses. So I bought a $2,500 STC kit that included new seat belts and shoulder harnesses.
The previous owner re-painted the prop but did an amateur job with it. So I had it removed, stripped, and repainted. That was $300.
The reception in the radios was not great and the original antennas looked horrible. I had them replaced for around $500.
Mine still had the original fuel lines (forward of the firewall) and they looked pretty bad. I replaced those and got ripped off by AvanteGuarde Aviation in Pontiac, MI. 80% mark-up??
I also had all 8 spark plugs replaced at $50/ea. Spruce sells the same plug for $29. More 80% mark-up from AvanteGaurde.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Most of these things I didn't HAVE to have done, but will you be happy flying around, and OWNING, and airplane that is far less than perfect? Will those things bother you?
I've put an additional $6,500 into my Cherokee and I haven't even owned it a year yet.
I really like this airplane and plan on keeping it even when the RV is complete and flying in 2089, so the money invested is worth it to me.
My whole point here, is that you may find a really 'nice' Cherokee and buy it, but just be aware that it will probably still require some upgrades or improvements-all of which cost money 
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05-04-2015, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Central IL
Posts: 5,516
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Originally Posted by Timbeck2
Good price and I'm sure a fine plane.
Maybe its the picture but....everything is on the "wrong" side.
"This isn't England is it Danny?" "No." "I didn't think so."
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You are learning - so - learn to fly in the right seat!
Oh - BTW, insurance is based on insured value. Period.
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Lord Kelvin:
“I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about,
and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you
cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge
is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind.”
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05-04-2015, 06:12 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Aurora, OR
Posts: 843
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Current Cherokee Warrior driver here, building an RV-8A. Lots of Cherokee pilots on this thread!
If you buy carefully, meaning initially getting a good annual as your initial pre-purchase inspection so you really know exactly what you're getting into, it can be a good deal. Like others, I have put more into the airplane over the past 6 years in upgrades than I paid for it originally (I got it for a pretty darn good initial price).
If you're looking for a solid, simple, parts-available, relatively inexpensive, already-built airplane to train and get around in, the Cherokees are hard to beat and there are some good deals to be had. Glad to discuss my experiences on the phone if you like.
And (shameless group plug here since it applies) if you decide to buy a Cherokee type plane to tide you over, such as several of us have, pick it up it real quick and meet us in July for the Cherokees to Oshkosh formation mass arrival. It's a great crew of people, and a fun way to make the Ford Taurus of the Skies (which is how I refer to my Warrior) a bit more exciting to fly, hah. http://www.cherokees2osh.com/ and http://formationclinic.com
And, hey - it's Oshkosh, which is where everyone building a RV belongs each summer anyway!
greg
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