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Old 04-21-2015, 08:48 PM
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Rick beat me to it. There are more than a few RV-8s that are tip-overs.
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Old 04-21-2015, 11:19 PM
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About 10 years ago I was at Oshkosh and counted all of 6/7/9's. The ratio was 4 to one Sliders to tip ups. Last year, I did a much more informal count and it was about 2.5 to 1 Slider to tip ups. I have no idea why there has been a decline in Sliders.

My first 7 was a tip up and I loved it. The benefits were a little better visibility than a slider, access to instruments and ease of getting in and out. Drawbacks. Not as good of airflow when taxiing, doesn't seal well up front, a little noisier, frame work tough to get right during building. There are a few other things others might come up with.

Slider good things. Easier to build (my opinion after building both), seals better, quieter, easier to load and unload baggage area, especially with the tip up/slider option, cooler when taxiing. Drawbacks, slightly less visibility, harder to get in and out, no direct access to instrument panel. Just a few thoughts.

You really can't go wrong with either one.
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:07 AM
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IIRC, all of Vans' company 6/7/9's have been tippers.
Wouldn't that be the 6A/7A/9A instead?
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Old 04-22-2015, 04:55 AM
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One other advantage of the tip-up is weight, it is lighter than the slider.
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Old 04-22-2015, 07:44 AM
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One other advantage of the tip-up is weight, it is lighter than the slider.
Just wondering what the extra weight of a slider is on say a 9 over the tip up.
Anyone know? I presume Vans uses the least weight in their advertising.
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Old 04-22-2015, 08:12 AM
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I don't believe the weight would be too much different. The tipup has a complex latching mechanism where the slider has two aluminum roller tracks. The tipup also has the two hinge hinge points and jettison mechanisim, slider doesn't. There is different ribs behind the panel.

The slider may be just a little more, but I bet it isn't much.
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:36 AM
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Well, that wouldn't be correct
Didn't know Vans offered an option . ( Show Planes does , not Vans )
( I was wrong and just trying to cover my tracks !!! )
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Old 04-22-2015, 09:55 AM
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....and then there's the -4's and -8's that have been turned into some kind of HR or F1 -EVO, and become slip-ups, or ti-ders, depending on your orientation!
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Old 04-22-2015, 12:10 PM
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The slider's biggest disadvantages to me are:
  1. more complicated to build
  2. a bit heavier due to the extra frame between the front and back halves
  3. reduced visibility due to the extra frame mentioned above
  4. more difficult to seal (in my opinion)
  5. more expensive

The sliders do look nice, like a fighter jet.... but you'll notice that the newest jets all have tip ups now!

OTOH, I have a slider on the F1 Rocket and on the RV-6 in my shop. Sigh....
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:33 AM
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IIRC, all of Vans' company 6/7/9's have been tippers.
No.

The RV-6 and 6A prototypes are tip-ups (the slider hadn't been developed yet)
The RV-9 and 9A prototypes are both sliders.
The RV-7 prototype (since converted to a 7A) is a tip-up.
The RV-7 transition trainer is a slider
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