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Old 03-16-2015, 04:18 AM
Rainier Lamers Rainier Lamers is offline
 
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Default MGL Avionics: New ECB

We are shipping our new ECB module.


Briefly, here are the features:

8 breakers programmable up to 10A each.
Bullet proof semiconductor technology switches intended for demanding environments.
Maintains safe operation in case of complete internal electronics failure.
Can be used stand-alone (no EFIS) or connected to EFIS up to 64 breakers (8 modules). EFIS can show individual breaker states, currents etc and depending on desired operating mode, can also set breaker parameters and control breakers.
Soft start and sequential start avoids high inrush currents leading to higher reliability.
In stand-alone mode can be setup quickly without need of a lap top or other computer.
Single or dual color LED breaker state indications (selectable).
Breaker doubling and tripling can be used to create 20A and 30A breakers.
Wigwag functionality for landing lights.
Burst flash functionality to drive ordinary high brightness 12V LED lamps as strobes.
Cost effective alternative to traditional circuit breakers, no need for high current wiring to the panel, ability to decentralise power switching requirements.
Only low current/low voltage latching switches needed (types with built in LEDs are recommended).
Precise control over breaker trip currents regardless of temperature. No breaker fatigue or limited life time.
Rugged, lightweight, flanged aluminium housing for simple mounting.

And more...

Details at www.mglavionics.co.za/ecb.html

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Old 03-16-2015, 09:59 AM
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I can't find a price on either US or ZA website. What does it cost in $?

Will it work with an Xtreme? If so, have you thought about making an ECB-only version of the Xtreme firmware for legacy retrofits. Basically, I'm looking for something to replace the old VP-50 (Vertical Power) but would like a small dedicated screen instead of having to buy a full efis just to add smart power.
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:39 AM
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Between this, the AFS module, and the VP products, lots of interesting options!

Any word on EFIS compatibility beyond the MGL ones?
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Old 03-16-2015, 01:53 PM
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8 fingers up on this. It's pretty close to what I would have designed if I went this way.

However, I personally do not like the ribbon cable interconnect. Looking around my hangar, I see no tools for fabricating ribbon cables and they are a pig to route through round holes.

My preference would be to use DSUBs at the box end and crimped fast-ons at the switch end. In fact, I built pcbs for my aircraft that adapted low current switches to fast-on terminals for this type of application. I used the split terminals so that 0.110 or 0.25 inch fast-on terminals would fit.

In this fashion, conventional wiring harnesses using tefzel wire could be fabricated and routed easily.

So if you eliminated the ribbon cables, this would be more shop-friendly.

I see no provision for motor (flaps, gear, trim) control which would require low-side switches. Perhaps a product variant later?
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Old 03-16-2015, 11:25 PM
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8 fingers up on this. It's pretty close to what I would have designed if I went this way.

However, I personally do not like the ribbon cable interconnect. Looking around my hangar, I see no tools for fabricating ribbon cables and they are a pig to route through round holes.
Really? You can cut ribbon cable with scissors, and crimp the connector with a vise. It's pretty darned easy. However, they also are prone to making poor connections if subjected to movement or vibration, which makes them a poor choice for an aviation connector... IMHO.

I love the basic idea though... I'm already wondering if it might form the basis of a panel-redesign, if I can use a better connector...

As for routing though, take a look at what people making PC's do with ribbon cables. Rolling them into a round cable and running it through a cable sheath works rather well.
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Old 03-17-2015, 01:12 AM
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We decided on the ribbon cable after having tested a unit for 5 years in an aircraft with high vibration with zero issues (yes, 5 years).
You need nothing more than a bench vice (see manual on the ECB with pictures). Quick, simple and in fact very reliable. There are few electronic systems out there that do not have some or other variant of this connector type internal. I think it is fairly safe to say that good quality connectors and cable from reputable sources are in fact excellent. We are not talking about the materials and tolerances used in the 1980's when these first became available - and in those days where indeed somewhat iffy.
Also, we are using the connector type that comes with the strain relief clip. That serves two purposes: No movement whatsoever makes it to the actual crimp connection and, using the clips (or "ears") you can see in the picture the connector is firmly held in place - but yet easy to remove if you ever need to.

The main advantage is assembly speed when compared to a DB25 (which would be the required size) - and if you where to choose a flat cable crimp type it would be exactly the same type of connection...
In the end we also had to choose something that was compact but not fiddly. The ECB had to be as small as possible.
As one poster mentioned, the idea is to split the ribbon cable into groups of 4 conductors (very easy to do - just pull). That goes into any hole. We use 4 conductors per breaker (unless you join breakers). One is ground, one for the switch and either one or two to drive status and fault LEDs depending on how you would like this to operate.

Matching connectors are also available in a non-crimp type if you need to use teflon wire so this is not really an issue - you have a lot of choice.

No, we do not have plans to add flap, trim etc. This is not intended to be a VPX competitor but a simple electronic version of a circuit breaker. I only allowed some indulgence by adding wigwag and a strobe flasher.
Our EFIS systems have all of the flap and trim functionality as part of the EFIS infrastructure so we do not need duplication here.

No, there is no compatibility to any other product. The concept is too different to try and squeeze this into an existing protocol. In any case, we use the CAN bus to connect to an EFIS. It does support a full function RS232 port as well and the protocol is available to anyone that cares. This is not used with our systems but available for third party use.

Also remember that this is also intended to be a stand-alone system so it in fact does not need an EFIS at all. Connecting it to an EFIS is just a nice bonus.

As in the past, I have no idea on pricing in countries other than my own and have zero influence. This is up to local distributors.
I can only list the end user price in Southern Africa as that is my domain.

Including 14% sales taxes it is R3418.00 and a matching switch kit is R846 (Dual color leds, chromed bezel, PCB, panel switch, 4 way connectors x 10).
Using the todays exchange rate that is $274 and $68.
Please note that typical prices in other countries are higher and in some cases much higher depending on costs. Please contact your local distributor for pricing in your country.

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Really? You can cut ribbon cable with scissors, and crimp the connector with a vise. It's pretty darned easy. However, they also are prone to making poor connections if subjected to movement or vibration, which makes them a poor choice for an aviation connector... IMHO.

I love the basic idea though... I'm already wondering if it might form the basis of a panel-redesign, if I can use a better connector...

As for routing though, take a look at what people making PC's do with ribbon cables. Rolling them into a round cable and running it through a cable sheath works rather well.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:51 AM
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Just a small note:

On the ECB image you can see little dots next to the output terminals as well as next to the power input terminal.
These are LEDs connected straight to the relevant lines (via suitable resistors of course). Not a biggie but nevertheless extremely useful as you can see with one glance which connection has power.

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Old 03-17-2015, 06:50 AM
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I can't find a price on either US or ZA website. What does it cost in $?

Will it work with an Xtreme? If so, have you thought about making an ECB-only version of the Xtreme firmware for legacy retrofits. Basically, I'm looking for something to replace the old VP-50 (Vertical Power) but would like a small dedicated screen instead of having to buy a full efis just to add smart power.
The XTreme is not my product but made by Infinitec (we just happen to distribute it).
I shall discuss a version of the XTreme as ECB controller with them.
This could easily be coupled with an SP-10 for those that would need flap and trim control in addition.

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Old 03-17-2015, 06:55 AM
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Hi Rainier,
What are the dimensions on the ECB?
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Old 03-17-2015, 07:02 AM
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Hi Rainier,
What are the dimensions on the ECB?
Body is 120x100x32 mm
Including mounting flanges 150x100x32 mm.
Including total height of connectors (excluding DB9 but including clips on IDC connectors) 150x100x56 mm.

It is the same housing we also use for the AvioGuard and RDAC XF.

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