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View Poll Results: Should factory-built RV-12 S-LSA models be allowed to park in the homebuilt parking a
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Yes- factory built RV-12s should park with the other RVs in homebuilt parking and camping.
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No- factory built RV-12s should not park with the other RVs.
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07-07-2014, 04:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: MKE
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Originally Posted by Bill_H
Strongly, strongly disagree with separation of "LSAs" in general and putting them all together!!
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Originally Posted by f1rocket
The fact that it's a LSA has no bearing on anything.
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I sense this discussion wandering off into the weeds a bit. Just to refocus it and clarify from the OP- this discussion does not pertain in any way to E-LSA versions. If you built it from a kit it's in, whether registered as E-LSA or E-AB. We are only talking about S-LSA, store bought, factory built, turnkey flying airplanes.
Question for Bill (since you brought it up): What would you have us do with the LSAs that is different from what we are doing now? Keep in mind we are talking at least several hundred (and growing yearly) between the RV-12s, Jabirus, Rans models, Flight Designs, etc etc.
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Milwaukee
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07-07-2014, 06:34 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Marshall TX (KASL)
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I was responding to RV7BOY's suggestion for a separate all - LSA area. You have to ask him!
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07-07-2014, 06:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill_H
I was responding to RV7BOY's suggestion for a separate all - LSA area. You have to ask him!
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Read my previous post. My answer is there. By the way, don't read more into my post than is there. I never said all LSAs should be grouped together. E-LSAs and EABs could still camp in HBC.
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07-07-2014, 07:00 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ellsworth, ME
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SLSA need there own area
I agree the the majority - if it is an ELSA or EAB it falls into the spirit of the HB area by the EAB. The issue is opening the door for other planes that are not experimental HB.
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07-07-2014, 08:47 PM
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Earlier Jeff mentioned the word "Showplane" and I think that's important. The designated Showplane camping and parking areas are intended to group airplanes together that are eligible for the same categories of judging. Homebuilts, Vintage, Warbirds, and Ultralights have their spots, and the rest go to North 40 and overflow. (This is why only Vintage airplanes of a certain age are allowed in the Vintage area-- it's not because they're snobs.) The judges aren't going to fly to Fond du Lac to find an airplane that needs to be judged. Obviously, the camping areas have evolved to become more of a social thing over the years, but the structure isn't about any airplane or type of pilot being more deserving than another one. S-LSAs are factory built and are not eligible for judging, so by default they've always gone to North 40 and overflow. Now if you guys want to start a designated RV parking area, tha'd be a whole different story. 
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07-08-2014, 03:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KatieB
Earlier Jeff mentioned the word "Showplane" and I think that's important. The designated Showplane camping and parking areas are intended to group airplanes together that are eligible for the same categories of judging. Homebuilts, Vintage, Warbirds, and Ultralights have their spots, and the rest go to North 40 and overflow. (This is why only Vintage airplanes of a certain age are allowed in the Vintage area-- it's not because they're snobs.) The judges aren't going to fly to Fond du Lac to find an airplane that needs to be judged. Obviously, the camping areas have evolved to become more of a social thing over the years, but the structure isn't about any airplane or type of pilot being more deserving than another one. S-LSAs are factory built and are not eligible for judging, so by default they've always gone to North 40 and overflow. Now if you guys want to start a designated RV parking area, tha'd be a whole different story. 
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Well said.......
Bob
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07-18-2014, 06:02 AM
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Final answer
After considerable discussion among the volunteers and EAA staff, and after gathering information from the RV community via this thread, we have made the decision. S-LSA RV-12s and other S-LSA aircraft will NOT be allowed to park in the homebuilt parking and camping areas. They will be directed to the North 40 general aviation parking and camping areas.
I realize this will not sit well with everyone, but if this poll is an accurate indication, most in the RV community will agree with the policy. I wanted to get this out there far enough in advance for those coming to Oshkosh to plan accordingly. If you are flying in with a S-LSA, your sign should indicate GAC or GAP. If you try to sneak in with a HBP or HBC sign you will be turned away and redirected to the North 40.
For those are parked in the North 40, there is easy, little-or-no-walking access to the RV area in homebuilt via the North 40 shuttle bus and the Red Tram route. See the map on the Airventure.com website for more details:
http://www.eaa.org/~/media/Files/Air...isitorsMap.pdf
Look forward to seeing everyone in a week or so.
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RV-6, RLU-1 built & flying
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Milwaukee
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07-18-2014, 06:15 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texas, Fort Worth
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Great Job Jeff! 
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07-23-2014, 10:28 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Last thread bump before Oshkosh. Fly safe and READ THE NOTAM!!!
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RV-6, RLU-1 built & flying
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Milwaukee
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07-23-2014, 10:48 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Atlanta
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N40
Factory built LSAs should be in N40.
Now, how do you quickly and easily tell if its really a factory built and not a homebuilt while marshaling aircraft to parking?
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