RV-10 door pin travel question

[Tim 8-A]

I wasn't originally on board with the Plane Around third latch system, my door was closing just fine with the factory set up. If the doors are fully latched they are safe with or without the third latch. What the Plane Around latch system did for me is take it from a two hand operation to a one hand operation. With the Plane Around third latch I no longer have to reach behind the seat pulling in the back corner of the door, making it much more fool prove in my opinion.

[Mike D]

Thanks for the reply everyone.
Please don't think I am not implementing the great features of the Plane Around solution. I am just doing it in a different way to solve for the parts that I don't like. This is experimental, so I am experimenting.

I should mention I am a industrial designer in my day job. So I am always considering the human factors and user experience elements of what I am doing. The Plane Around system does solve the issue, just not as elegant as I want it to be. Not being a perfectionist, but just building the plane I want.

I really like Mike's solution to the rack stops. I may implement this even though I could use the stock solution. I like that a flat surface is meeting another flat surface but I need to think about the force direction change.

The gap I am measuring is from the seal to the inside door skin. There will be some gap reduction when the door is assembled and trimmed, but I have a lot more gap than that.

Some days I think it is just too easy, and other days I have know idea how anyone does this. (building a -10)

[Freightdawg]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Some days I think it is just too easy, and other days I have know idea how anyone does this. (building a -10)

So it's not just me.

[CharlieWaffles]

Originally Posted by Mike D

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The gap I am measuring is from the seal to the inside door skin. There will be some gap reduction when the door is assembled and trimmed, but I have a lot more gap than that.

It's not unusual to have that and when using the McMaster seal you will often have to build up the flange so that the seal is the proper distance from the door. Some places I had to grind down, others I had to build up. Once the distance to the door is right, you can grind down/build up the backside of the flange so that it is the proper thickness to hold the seal.

[Mike D]

Mark, Thanks! I will need to adjust the door flange for sure. Just worry about modifying the top too much.

[paul330]

Originally Posted by Mike D

Mark, Thanks! I will need to adjust the door flange for sure.

That, my friend, is the understatement of all time........

I really got to hate those doors

[Strasnuts]

The reveal between the inner door skin and the seal edge should be no less than 1/4 inch. That's if you are using either the 1120A311 or 1120A411 door seal from McMaster.

[Jackm]

Originally Posted by Mike D

I have considered the Plane Around latch. But I am not completely happy with their design. So for now I am going to "roll my own" center door latch.

I am using the McMaster Carr seals, but there is too much gap. I have not joined the door skins yet, but there is more than 1/4" gap in places. This wont be taken up when the door is joined and trimmed. There is a larger seal available, but I don't want to go that way because I would not be happy with the look.

Just a little picky I guess.

Mike,

All advice above is excellent. I would add two things if you have not glued the doors yet. One is install the third latch before gluing the doors together as I believe Bill Peyton has done. And two. DO NOT use the dimple index on the skins from Vans...build spacers for the door to be set in, to correctly locate the door in the cabin top frame. There are a number of RV10 doors that sit too low in the cabin top including ours, because of the dimple not being in correct location. The result of being low is a very small flange on lower door and having to trim the cabin top down for Sean's latch to clear. Also, If I had to do my doors over, I would glue them with the Lord adhesive from Aerosport Products.