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06-27-2014, 07:11 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Wichita, KS
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Originally Posted by DonFromTX
Trust me! He is in a position to know what the FAA will do.
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That's great. It might help others navigate these waters if we knew more. Perhaps he's not in a position to explain further though?
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06-27-2014, 07:58 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: houston pmt 2014
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VETE76
Please call EAA headquarters. And let them know the situation so they can deal with it Also. This help us all in long run. There's a lot of fruit cakes in this world. 
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06-27-2014, 10:09 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Ladonia,Tx
Posts: 153
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Originally Posted by VETE76
It has taken 10 months to get my repairman certificate from the FAA. Its an interesting story but I don't have the time to write it. No none would believe it any way.
He, (faa) came to my hanger to look at my RV7. Wanting me to prove I built it on my own. He never looked at any pictures from my build log, nor did he look at the build log.
Boy could he recite the regs, word for word! He was about 30 yrs old. Was an A&P. Then he asked me if I knew what I could and couldn't do on my RV. I told him. WRONG! You can change oil, tires and clean the windshield, the repairman cert. allows you to only do the yearly conditional inspection. You can not repair anything you find wrong! Is this guy full of engine oil? putting it nicely! I told him I was taking off the propeller to try a different one, he said I couldn't. Unless I was a certified FAA approved mechanic. A&P etc.
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When I took my paperwork to the Dallas FSDO to get my repairman's certificate, the gentleman who did my paperwork said that this would allow me to do the annual inspection on any RV-8. I asked him to confirm what he said, and he did just that. I went home and red the regs to make sure that this wasn't correct but never called him back on it.
BTW, when the certificate didn't arrive in the 90-day window, I called him back. He said the paperwork got "lost" and had to be resubmitted. I got the certificate 10 days later.
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06-27-2014, 11:44 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ft Myers, FL
Posts: 276
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My gripe:
Recently I went to take an instrument checkride in my RV-7A. I called the DPE one month prior and asked what his policy was regarding giving a checkride in an experimental. He told me that if I was willing to fly it, he was willing to give me a checkride stating that DPE's are given some latitude to decide whether to give a ride in a homebuilt.
Fast forward to my checkride: When I showed up at my exam, I informed him that I built my RV-7A myself after he asked if I bought it completed or partially built. I pulled out all of my logbooks including my avionics logs which showed that all of my required checks were up to date (transponder, pitot/static, ELT). He focused on my ELT check and didn't like the way I entered the ELT check in the avionics log. We spent roughly 20 minutes with him griping about the wording. He called a friend of his who is with the FAA in the avionics area and when on the phone with him said "I have a 'handyman' here who changed the batteries in his ELT" and then went on to further discuss the situation with him over the phone in my presence. After he hung up, he sat back with his arms folded across his chest and said he wouldn't fly in this airplane because it wasn't legal. He said the only way I could change the batteries in my ELT was if I had a repairman's certificate. I then informed him that since I had built the airplane myself, I did indeed have a repairman's certificate and produced it for his inspection. He then started in questioning me about CFR Part 23 indicating his disdain that I built and flew a homebuilt yet I wasn't conversant in Part 23.
My whole point in this is that after being addressed condescendingly as a "handyman" with his friend from the FAA, it became apparent that there is a subculture of disdain for homebuilders since we don't really follow all of the same rules as the certified aircraft with respect to maintenance. I'm not trying to paint all FAA employees with the same brush but this guy came into the exam with a large chip on his shoulder. If he didn't want to fly in a homebuilt, that's his prerogative but he was a jerk!
I have written to the local FSDO yet. I'm wondering if EAA has any input. Sorry for the venting.
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06-27-2014, 04:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: syracuse ny/venice fl
Posts: 623
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Fast forward to my checkride: When I showed up at my exam, I informed him that I built my RV-7A myself after he asked if I bought it completed or partially built. I pulled out all of my logbooks including my avionics logs which showed that all of my required checks were up to date (transponder, pitot/static, ELT). He focused on my ELT check and didn't like the way I entered the ELT check in the avionics log. We spent roughly 20 minutes with him griping about the wording. He called a friend of his who is with the FAA in the avionics area and when on the phone with him said "I have a 'handyman' here who changed the batteries in his ELT" and then went on to further discuss the situation with him over the phone in my presence. After he hung up, he sat back with his arms folded across his chest and said he wouldn't fly in this airplane because it wasn't legal. He said the only way I could change the batteries in my ELT was if I had a repairman's certificate. I then informed him that since I had built the airplane myself, I did indeed have a repairman's certificate and produced it for his inspection. He then started in questioning me about CFR Part 23 indicating his disdain that I built and flew a homebuilt yet I wasn't conversant in Part 23.
My whole point in this is that after being addressed condescendingly as a "handyman" with his friend from the FAA, it became apparent that there is a subculture of disdain for homebuilders since we don't really follow all of the same rules as the certified aircraft with respect to maintenance. I'm not trying to paint all FAA employees with the same brush but this guy came into the exam with a large chip on his shoulder. If he didn't want to fly in a homebuilt, that's his prerogative but he was a jerk!
I have written to the local FSDO yet. I'm wondering if EAA has any input. Sorry for the venting.[/quote]
THIS ISNT MY 1ST Ecounter with the FAA. 1984 we built a rally ultralight the 2 seater version. we had to get the FAA to inspect it, as the dar wasnt in the works yet. he looked at it and all he could say at first was, "this just doesn't look like a REAL airplane!! wen he was finished he handed us the air worthyness cert saying as we took it from his hand, "yep, it passed, but it just doesnt look like a real airplane" but its legal. be carefull and enjoy! Mr Lyngel, Rochester fsdo, a real nice and fuuny gentleman! they aren't all bad!
Last edited by VETE76 : 06-30-2014 at 08:56 AM.
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07-24-2014, 06:25 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: syracuse ny/venice fl
Posts: 623
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Originally Posted by VETE76
I sent him an email asking him to please explain what he was trying to tell me in more detail in case I was misunderstanding him. I told him he had me thoroughly confused by the time he left. I will let you know.
fred
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Well i told u i would post his reply, it has been just about 4 weeks now......you guessed it, i haven't heard a word. oh by the way, i just did my inspection myself on my own airplane.
fred
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