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Old 06-10-2014, 09:53 AM
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I have a question for which someone might have a answer. Why isn't it possible to feather the prop on a RV during a engine failure which would increase the glide range since the drag created by a windmilling prop would be non existent .
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:56 AM
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Dear bob the normal cs props are are configurated to go fine pitch if it lost oil pressure the other case is the aerobatics props that goes tu max pitch when lost oil press. I dont know if the aerobatics props goes to full feather.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:31 AM
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Bob,
This is my understanding.

Normal hydraulic GA props are set up for the prop control failure mode to send the prop to fine pitch (ability for engine to produce full power assuming prop control failure). Since the prop control is based on engine oil, when the engine gives up the ghost, the prop control fails by default and the prop goes to fine pitch. Unfortunate consequence of the failure mode philosophy.
In addition, I believe counterweights are needed in order to provide the forces required to feather prop blades. As a result, the non-feathering GA props are lighter.

It is my understanding that for aerobatic craft, the desired prop control failure mode is course pitch in order to prevent overspeeding an engine if the control fails on a downhill maneuver. Therefore, counterweights on those props and different internal construction in the hub. Since I am not a aerobatic pilot, others should speak up to correct or add.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:43 AM
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Why stop at a feathering propeller? Get one that goes into Beta.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:54 AM
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Yeah but how do you back into a parking spot with a castering tailwheel or nosewheel??
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:56 AM
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Full feathering props are heavy and expensive.

Pulling the prop to coarse pitch will reduce the drag somewhat.

If you have plenty of altitude, stopping the prop will help even more.

The latter is recommended ONLY when you KNOW that there is no hope for a re-start.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:57 AM
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Yeah but how do you back into a parking spot with a castering tailwheel or nosewheel??
VERY CAREFULLY!
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:11 PM
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Yeah but how do you back into a parking spot with a castering tailwheel or nosewheel??
Differential brakes.
I know a pilot who can parallel park a turbine Otter on wheels. Although he's cheating because that airplane has electric power steering on the tailwheel.

I had briefly thought about putting a reversing prop on my plane. Biggest concern is the engine cooling while in reverse. It would also be extremely expensive and a novelty feature that has very limited practical value.
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Old 06-23-2014, 01:16 PM
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As Mel said, feathering props are heavy and expensive. They are generally used when there is a benefit to being able to feather - such as on twins. Feathering a failed engine allows you to continue flight (much more efficiently and with much less rudder- and most light piston twins won't maintain altitude at all without feathering the dead engine no matter if your leg gets tired of holding rudder or not) when you have an engine on the other side. With one engine, the outcome is the same with or without your heavy expensive prop - forced landing.
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:57 AM
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One of the Mooney conversions, I think the 262 "Missile" one, used a feathering prop because the glide ratio with the big engine up front wasn't good enough without it. Just stopping the prop has similar effects. As mentioned, probably not worth the weight penalty.
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