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05-12-2016, 07:43 AM
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OK, now I understand what you're highlighting, Alfio. Yes, I haven't been able to find that "other" info, either. I don't have a current AIR5000 and Ottawa VTA chart to see how much VTA info is actually visible on the chart shown in FPG. Perhaps that's the only way we'll see the VFR corridor, reporting points etc. Still, there's no way that I know of to see the info just as it is presented in the CFS. Time for a question to the support folks at FPG!
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Goto DOWNLOADS|PROCEDURES|CANADA and choose the province. Now the additional CFS info is in your Binder. There is no search function so you must scroll manually through it to find the airport of interest.
I reported the 'bug' over a year ago but in typical FPG style, but they ignored me. They've come a long way with their app, but this is a really clunky way of retrieving critical info... It should be in the CFS airport information.
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05-12-2016, 08:25 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Originally Posted by Canadian_JOY
I "think" you're indicating that we can't browse through the CFS pages as though it were a PDF or similar document - is this correct?
For me, a true low-tech user, the biggest complaint I have with respect to using the CFS pages is in not being able to quickly and easily access the forward and afterward material that's so handy and easy to find in the paper version.
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Yes, that is correct. The CFS comes in as individual PDF pages for each airport, and you can only access them by hitting the "CFS" button on the Airport Info page within FPG. The pages included are only the airport diagram and airport info, none of the procedures are accessible this way.
For the procedures, you have to go to Downloads -> Procedures -> Canada and select the provinces you want for download. Once you have them, you can go to Binders -> My Documents, hit the "Filter" button and say "Downloaded only" and then chose the Procedures PDF for the province you want. You'll have to scroll through to find the airport you want.
This is probably the worst UI gaffe in the entire program, if they could incorporate the procedures with each airport's pages, it would save a lot of effort in the cockpit. My understanding is that ForeFlight isn't a *lot* better in this regard though... I'll have to check the next time I see someone's iPad with FF installed.
[edit] Yes, what Vern said... That'll teach me to reply to a post without reading all the pages first... :P
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05-12-2016, 07:47 PM
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Join Date: May 2016
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Originally Posted by vlittle
Goto DOWNLOADS|PROCEDURES|CANADA and choose the province. Now the additional CFS info is in your Binder. There is no search function so you must scroll manually through it to find the airport of interest.
I reported the 'bug' over a year ago but in typical FPG style, but they ignored me. They've come a long way with their app, but this is a really clunky way of retrieving critical info... It should be in the CFS airport information.
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We split the CFS up for you in the Airports section. Go to the Airports tab and tap Open AF/D (CFS in Canada) and you will only get the CFS for that airport. For "Procedures" you would tap on the Procedures button (still Airports tab) where you can download the charts for just one airport. It is the fasted way to get the information you need in one location. As far as other sections of the CFS, front and back matter, go to the Downloads section under Documents and scroll down until you find CFS Information (CAP Gen, VFR Terminal Procedures, etc.).
Hope this helps....email Tech@FltPlan.com if you need more information.
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05-12-2016, 08:52 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Originally Posted by FltPlan.com
We split the CFS up for you in the Airports section. Go to the Airports tab and tap Open AF/D (CFS in Canada) and you will only get the CFS for that airport. For "Procedures" you would tap on the Procedures button (still Airports tab) where you can download the charts for just one airport. It is the fasted way to get the information you need in one location. As far as other sections of the CFS, front and back matter, go to the Downloads section under Documents and scroll down until you find CFS Information (CAP Gen, VFR Terminal Procedures, etc.).
Hope this helps....email Tech@FltPlan.com if you need more information.
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As a "long time user" of FltPlanGo I am really glad to see you are now participating on this forum.

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05-13-2016, 05:30 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ottawa, ON
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Originally Posted by FltPlan.com
We split the CFS up for you in the Airports section. Go to the Airports tab and tap Open AF/D (CFS in Canada) and you will only get the CFS for that airport. For "Procedures" you would tap on the Procedures button (still Airports tab) where you can download the charts for just one airport. It is the fasted way to get the information you need in one location. As far as other sections of the CFS, front and back matter, go to the Downloads section under Documents and scroll down until you find CFS Information (CAP Gen, VFR Terminal Procedures, etc.).
Hope this helps....email Tech@FltPlan.com if you need more information.
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Am also a fan of fltplan. Thanks for chiming in.
Ottawa Terminal Procedures. Found it under Binders, CFS ON VFR Terminal Procedures after downloading the separate procedures.
Would it be possible to index this information or allow for a search? Scrolling down to Ottawa is painfully slow on the Nexus 7. It is faster on the iPad Mini though.
As Vern mentioned earlier, this really should also be available in the Airports section as well. the paper CFS will have both VFR procedures and airport information in the same section. It would certainly give you another "leg up" on FF. 
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05-13-2016, 12:06 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Likewise, a big "thank you" for your participation here, FltPlan!
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05-13-2016, 03:11 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Originally Posted by FltPlan.com
We split the CFS up for you in the Airports section. Go to the Airports tab and tap Open AF/D (CFS in Canada) and you will only get the CFS for that airport. For "Procedures" you would tap on the Procedures button (still Airports tab) where you can download the charts for just one airport. It is the fasted way to get the information you need in one location. As far as other sections of the CFS, front and back matter, go to the Downloads section under Documents and scroll down until you find CFS Information (CAP Gen, VFR Terminal Procedures, etc.).
Hope this helps....email Tech@FltPlan.com if you need more information.
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So far, I like everything about the CFS implementation EXCEPT how you've handled the procedures.
"Open CFS" brings up the CFS pages starting with the airport diagram. It skips the pages that are *before* this, that include procedures for operating at the airport. To find those, you have to switch away from the airport info, to the Binders tab, then you have to hit the "filter" button and select "downloaded only" to get all the stuff you don't use off the screen (why this isn't remembered is beyond me... EVERY time I come back to this tab I have to re-filter). Then you have to find the right Procedures document for your province, then you have to scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll to get to the airport you need.
Please, please, please, separate out the Procedures pages for airports as well, and either link to them with a "Procedures" button or include them in the same PDF that opens when you hit "Open CFS".
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05-16-2016, 05:51 PM
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So on May 18, 2014 (2 years ago), I complained about FltPlan Go's handling of VFR terminal procedures both here and directly to FltPlan.com.
According to the most recent (May 16, 2016) press release from FltPlan.com: "FltPlan makes flight planning as simple and cost effective as possible while providing outstanding customer support 24/7/365".
Maybe we are not customers......
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05-17-2016, 08:16 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2009
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Originally Posted by vlittle
Maybe we are not customers......
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Well, you're not a *paying* customer. They do have paying customers, but they don't use the VFR parts of FltPlanGo. Follow the money...
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05-17-2016, 08:20 AM
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FWIW, I emailed FltPlanGo support about this issue again this week. After some back-and-forth to explain that I didn't want the introductory information from the CFS, but the per-airport procedures, the response was this:
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Originally Posted by FltPlanGo Support
At this time the best option is the following:
1. In the Binder tap on the document to open it
2. Use the button at the top that looks like a square made up of 4 boxes
3. In this mode you can find and Bookmark you page
4. Do this before you take off so once in the air you can go back to that view and quickly find your bookmark
This will give you an immediate way to speed up the process.
I?ll ask the programmers if there is a search feature they can build in.
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I'd say that this is not "the best" option at all. It's "an" option, and maybe the only option right now. But it's about the worst way it could be implemented.
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