commercial maneuvers

[rocketbob]

I've recently started training to get a commercial ticket and am wondering what entry speeds and power settings are used for practicing chandelles, lazy 8's, 8's on pylons in RVs.

[Rick_A]

I do chandelles, lazy 8's and steep turns pretty regularly when I out just making holes in the sky. I usually use 120 - 125 kts as my entry speed.

[Charles in SC]

I would recommend getting a copy of the commercial pts and see what specs it requires for these . It has been a long time for me but as I remember it they are entered at Va or manuvering speed. The power setting will change as they are done.

[walkman]

I am kicking around getting a commercial ticket myself.

Am I correct in thinking that all the training and checkride can be done in an -8? There's no special reason to go rent something certified?

[Kahuna]

Originally Posted by walkman

I am kicking around getting a commercial ticket myself.

Am I correct in thinking that all the training and checkride can be done in an -8? There's no special reason to go rent something certified?

You are incorrect. You will see the requirements for complex. Many have done all their training and most of their check ride in an RV. Then jump in a complex to demonstrate the complex landing practical requirements. This of course assume you meet the min requirements which include complex hours. Practical test standards where changed in 2012.

[Jesse]

I got my commercial in late 2012. Did most of the checkride in a 152 and the complex portion in a Cardinal RG. Had access to an RV, but chose to use a slower and simpler spam can for the checkride. I'm sure the maneuvers can be learned fairly easily in an RV, but much easier in a slow bird, IMHO. I did my IFR in a Cherokee 180 for the same reason. Things happen a lot slower so you have a lot more time to think it through and nail the needles.

Check with the DPE first to make sure he will do it in 2 planes and will do it in an experimental. Some will and some won't.

[jthocker]

Redline for speeds of course!

[bird]

Most comm maneuvers , Chandelles , lazy eights etc are done at manuevering speed of aircraft being used.

Bird

[BobTurner]

The PTS standard is to never exceed Va. So Chandelles are entered at Va, lazy 8's are no more than Va at the bottom, eights on pylons no more than Va when directly into the wind.
Contrary to a previous post, these manevers are done at fixed power settings, airspeeds vary. Chandelles use climb power settings, start at Va, end with the stall horn on.
As others stated, the precision landings/takeoffs must be demonstrated in a retractable. At your option the other maneuvers may be done in a different aircraft, but examiners may opt out of E-AB aircraft at their discretion. Many just do the whole thing in a 172RG or Arrow. If you use two aircraft the examiner may want to see two logbooks, two preflights, ask questions on the oral about both airplanes, etc.

[xblueh2o]

The PTS says the recommended entry configuration power and airspeed.
The handbook says a speed no greater the the maximum entry airspeed recommended by the manufacturer, in most cases not above design Va.

Clear as mud?