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Old 02-28-2014, 06:54 PM
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tail kit 1993 (?) first flight 1997
1600+ hrs O-320 160hp sensenich FP
lots of aerobatics, spins early on
no hard landings ever
5G stalls [messing with the AOA, wish now I hadn't]
no notches [I didn't build the empennage]
H spar crack [tiny]
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Old 02-28-2014, 07:03 PM
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Does anybody have a tally or chart yet? I wonder what percentage of >1,500 hr planes have cracks and what percentage of <1,000 hr planes do. It sure seems relatively high and quite low respectively.
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:13 PM
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Default I have cracks

I have a 700 hour RV8 and found the dreaded cracks. I'm thinking of going the Anti Splat.com fix. It seems less intrusive and uses stainless steel plates. Any ideas out there?
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:37 PM
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I have a 700 hour RV8 and found the dreaded cracks. I'm thinking of going the Anti Splat.com fix. It seems less intrusive and uses stainless steel plates. Any ideas out there?
I recommend you read all the comments on this thread. In particular, pay close attention to posts 23, 25, 27, and 42.
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Old 03-01-2014, 06:22 PM
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Default Doing "The Fix"

David,

I recommend doing the Van's Fix.
1. It is not that difficult. The most difficult part is drilling out the heads in the interior portion of the stab. And it was only time consuming.
2. Riveting the structure together was easy.
3. When it comes time to sell, you will thank yourself.
4. You built this whole machine. You can most certainly do this fix. This really is a mind over matter procedure.
5. Just do it Dave. (and everyone else)

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Old 03-01-2014, 08:16 PM
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Hours: 571
SB14-01-31 No cracks found (no relief notches specified in plans)
SB14-02-05 No cracks found
Engine: O-360-A1A

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Old 03-01-2014, 08:43 PM
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Thanks Kevin and Ed

I really appreciate you guys chiming in to help me clarify the issue for me. The work involved was never an issue. Just my ignorance. Kevin, thanks for posting the related links that I needed to read. The factory repair it is.
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Old 03-01-2014, 09:45 PM
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David,

Way to go. There was one thread that had a dozen pictures of the procedure. It was called "SB 01-31-14 Completed", but I have not been able to find where it disappeared to. I know it gave me confidence after viewing.

So can anyone help find this site?

Ed

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Old 03-02-2014, 05:16 AM
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I recommend you read all the comments on this thread. In particular, pay close attention to posts 23, 25, 27, and 42.
Well, engineering vise and responsibility vise this whole thing is beyond belief when applying normal industrial norms and conduct used everywhere in every industry on this planet.

The owner/builder has sole responsibility for the structural integrity of the aircraft, no one else. Vans is in this case only a subcontractor, a consultant and a supplier of parts.

In any other industry, Vans SB would be considered only an idea, a vague suggestion. It will remain so until Vans idea was substantiated by Vans showing actual calculations. Actual calculations put forward in a report showing the weakness of the original design and the improvement of the new design. This is the normal way because Vans has no responsibility whatsoever in this matter. It is the manufacturer, the owner/builder, who is to decide if these calculations are good enough, are they done correctly, are they done with appropriate software, and most importantly, are they done by someone with adequate training, experience and understanding. This is not for Vans to decide or mean or suggest anything about, they are only doing a job here.

I'm not saying Vans mod is bad or anything, it probably is as good as it gets - probably. The point is that the whole process is NOT an engineering process based on facts and data. It is a system based on believe and hope and something I would call misplaced awe of Vans and blind faith. Again, the builder/owner is sole responsible here, Vans have no responsibility.

Now, there are some aeronautical engineering types here as well as very seasoned and experienced mechanical types. They have looked at the two suggested mods, and their impression is that Vans mod is by far the better one. That carries some weight, because you don't need to do a full FEA to see the basics of the two mods. The structure is not that complex. But, the complete lack of visible and obtainable facts and data and number crunching engineering is still here, so it is still a system of believes, far away from the engineering world I am used to.

OK, I got that of my chest I see this in many other parts of the experimental scene. An open system of sound engineering and practical experimentation being replaced with an obscured system of believe and blind faith towards some kit manufacturer who has no responsibility whatsoever for anything but the profitability of his company. This is wrong on so many levels.
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Old 03-02-2014, 06:07 AM
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In my case, I don't think its "misplaced awe and blind belief"; I think its "trust". Since I am not an aeronautical engineer or want to spend a lot of money paying one to review this fix, I have to trust Vans. For me, I am comfortable trusting Vans based on their record.
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