VansAirForceForums  
Home > VansAirForceForums

- POSTING RULES
- Donate yearly (please).
- Advertise in here!

- Today's Posts | Insert Pics


Go Back   VAF Forums > Education > Formation Flying
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-31-2013, 07:02 AM
Joker Joker is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 56
Default Actually four

Quote:
Originally Posted by springer View Post
Actually it's three things:

"Two"

"BINGO"

"Lead you are on fire!"
"I'll take the ugly one."


Joker
__________________
Bud Newhouse
RV8
Lunken Airport
Cincinnati
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-31-2013, 07:18 AM
rbibb's Avatar
rbibb rbibb is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Freericksburg, VA
Posts: 624
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joker View Post
"I'll take the ugly one."


Joker
I was wondering if anyone would offer the third instruction.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-31-2013, 09:54 AM
Snowflake's Avatar
Snowflake Snowflake is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
Posts: 3,926
Default

Quote:
The existence of a standard overhead maneuver pattern does not eliminate the possible requirement for an aircraft to conform to conventional rectangular patterns if an overhead maneuver cannot be approved.
Someone quoted this from the FAR's. I think it applies quite well... Despite the fact that as formation pilots we know a little more about flying formation than non-formation pilots, we do need to operate in their environment. At a controlled airport, the tower will provide separation, and if the tower controller isn't aware of formation manoeuvers, Lead needs to briefly explain the plan before the approach.

We've avoided using the term "initial", as the large number of training airports near us are more IFR-aware, and people assume IFR-like procedures when we say such things (and as an aside, VFR pilots haven't a clue what "initial" means either). Instead, we'll set ourselves up such that we'll be given a straight-in approach based on runway in use, and we'll request the overhead break for landing. If any questions arise (and tower controllers sometimes do need to ask what that means) we explain that it's straight in at X altitude, then 180 degree break with Y second spacing to a tight downwind, followed by an immediate full stop landing for all aircraft.

So far, that has brought *no* issues at a controlled airport, and many comments that it was a remarkably efficient way to handle that many planes.

The one time we did get into trouble, was at an uncontrolled airport, where a student was in the circuit with his instructor (the only plane in the circuit). Despite this airport being popular with formation pilots, and regularly seeing overhead breaks to landing, the instructor seemed blissfully unaware of how that worked. The timing of our approach put us ahead of the student plane, so we requested that he extend his circuit slightly, so we could do a break for landing. His response was "sorry guys, this is a commercial flight, no can do". We elected to try and squeeze the break in anyway, as we were ahead of him in the circuit, and half-way through our break he started asking what we were doing and saying we cut him off, etc.

I think the instructor had a bad attitude, but in hindsight when we saw the other plane we should have circled around and flown the circuit *behind* them instead, making room for ourselves. It would have added some formation practise, and accommodated the other aircraft in the area.

Still, no paint was swapped, so it wasn't all bad, and it was a learning experience all around.
__________________
Rob Prior
1996 RV-6 "Tweety" C-FRBP (formerly N196RV)
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:37 PM.


The VAFForums come to you courtesy Delta Romeo, LLC. By viewing and participating in them you agree to build your plane using standardized methods and practices and to fly it safely and in accordance with the laws governing the country you are located in.